So let's talk about today's readings 9/18/09

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Reading 1
1 Tm 6:2c-12

Beloved:
Teach and urge these things.
Whoever teaches something different
and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ
and the religious teaching
is conceited, understanding nothing,
and has a morbid disposition for arguments and verbal disputes.
From these come envy, rivalry, insults, evil suspicions,
and mutual friction among people with corrupted minds,
who are deprived of the truth,
supposing religion to be a means of gain.
Indeed, religion with contentment is a great gain.
For we brought nothing into the world,
just as we shall not be able to take anything out of it.
If we have food and clothing, we shall be content with that.
Those who want to be rich are falling into temptation and into a trap
and into many foolish and harmful desires,
which plunge them into ruin and destruction.
For the love of money is the root of all evils,
and some people in their desire for it have strayed from the faith
and have pierced themselves with many pains. But you, man of God, avoid all this.
Instead, pursue righteousness, devotion,
faith, love, patience, and gentleness.
Compete well for the faith.
Lay hold of eternal life,
to which you were called when you made the noble confession
in the presence of many witnesses.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 49:6-7, 8-10, 17-18, 19-20

R. Blessed the poor in spirit; the Kingdom of heaven is theirs!
Why should I fear in evil days
when my wicked ensnarers ring me round?
They trust in their wealth;
the abundance of their riches is their boast.
R.** Blessed the poor in spirit; the Kingdom of heaven is theirs!**
Yet in no way can a man redeem himself,
or pay his own ransom to God;
Too high is the price to redeem one’s life; he would never have enough
to remain alive always and not see destruction.
R. Blessed the poor in spirit; the Kingdom of heaven is theirs!
Fear not when a man grows rich,
when the wealth of his house becomes great,
For when he dies, he shall take none of it;
his wealth shall not follow him down.
R. Blessed the poor in spirit; the Kingdom of heaven is theirs!
Though in his lifetime he counted himself blessed,
“They will praise you for doing well for yourself,”
He shall join the circle of his forebears
who shall never more see light.
R. Blessed the poor in spirit; the Kingdom of heaven is theirs!
Gospel
Lk 8:1-3

Jesus journeyed from one town and village to another,
preaching and proclaiming the good news of the Kingdom of God.
Accompanying him were the Twelve
and some women who had been cured of evil spirits and infirmities,
Mary, called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out,
Joanna, the wife of Herod’s steward Chuza,
Susanna, and many others
who provided for them out of their resources.
 
Today’s readings are all about money.

“we brought nothing into the world,
just as we shall not be able to take anything out of it.”
–from the first reading

“Too high is the price to redeem one’s life; he would never have enough”
– from the psalm

"and some women…provided for them out of their resources
–from the gospel

Here’s a funny story about Mahatma Ghandi from our priest:
There was a group of people who provided for the needs of Mahatma Ghandi in the
same way these women provided for Jesus and his apostles. It what being said
that Ghandi “always lived a life of poverty”. To which these people replied, “He has
no idea how much is costs us for him to continue living in poverty!” 😃

So what struck you about today’s readings? :bible1::twocents:
 
Teach and urge these things.
Whoever teaches something different
and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ

This is what struck me…right from the get go…did not get far. We are sponsoring a conference for Moira Noonan who was an Occultist in the New Age and now is a Catholic Evangelist, teaching the deceptions of New Age. She had to even be exorcised.

Please pray for this comference…

Fitting isn’t it? 😃
 
Today’s readings are all about money.

“we brought nothing into the world,
just as we shall not be able to take anything out of it.”
–from the first reading

“Too high is the price to redeem one’s life; he would never have enough”
– from the psalm

"and some women…provided for them out of their resources
–from the gospel

Here’s a funny story about Mahatma Ghandi from our priest:
There was a group of people who provided for the needs of Mahatma Ghandi in the
same way these women provided for Jesus and his apostles. It what being said
that Ghandi “always lived a life of poverty”. To which these people replied, “He has
no idea how much is costs us for him to continue living in poverty!” 😃

So what struck you about today’s readings? :bible1::twocents:
Ha, the Ghandi story was funny! 🙂
I would like to comment on your comments, I say this out of compassion please understand, but…

These have nothing to do with money, that is an unfortunate interpretation. You must remember that Christ spoke the word only in parables, also the word was made flesh and dwelt among us *John 1:14 So you see the bible, which contains the word of God, and Christ, are completely associated with each other, thus, it is accurate to say that the bible is the word of God, and God only spoke the word in parables.

That being said, the specific passages you mentioned need to be read in the light of it being a parable. a parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. The heavenly meaning is always Christ, as Christ is salvation. The ultimate goal for the true believer, is Salvation… Nothing else. And so we can understand the following verses like that.

We are born in sin, we are spiritually dead, we have nothing. The cost of salvation is free, it is a gift, we have nothing to give that will ever be worth the cost, of the free gift of salvation. This has everything to do with Christ dying for our sins, and paying for our sins with His own shed blood. And We must always remember that Christ deserves all the glory. The women provided out of their resources means that they did what they could, and they did it for Christ. They gave everything they had to Christ because they knew that He was God. And nothing on earth is as important as serving the Lord. They provided out of their own abilities and love for Christ, they didn’t Pay His way, they ministered to Christ because nothing on earth is going to be more valuable than eternal salvation, which Christ offered.

Remember the poor women who offered 2 mites. The Lord specifically mentions her because of the spiritual message and His love for her. She offered everything she had, every last scrap of worth that she owned, was given to the LORD. While the rich man gave much more, yet out of his total wealth, it was nothing, So who gave more?

Give everything if you love the Lord, hold nothing back, however this is also important, very very very important, the message isn’t money, its love, because you see works will get you nothing, absolutely nothing but spiritual death if you think you can DO ANYTHING, absolutely anything to help you even one single tiny smidgen of grace and that if you think anything you do will ever get you saved then you are sadly mistaken. Because Christ did all the work, and the true believer will recognize that.
 
Ha, the Ghandi story was funny! 🙂
I would like to comment on your comments, I say this out of compassion please understand, but…

These have nothing to do with money, that is an unfortunate interpretation. You must remember that Christ spoke the word only in parables, also the word was made flesh and dwelt among us *John 1:14 So you see the bible, which contains the word of God, and Christ, are completely associated with each other, thus, it is accurate to say that the bible is the word of God, and God only spoke the word in parables.

That being said, the specific passages you mentioned need to be read in the light of it being a parable. a parable is an earthly story with a heavenly meaning. The heavenly meaning is always Christ, as Christ is salvation. The ultimate goal for the true believer, is Salvation… Nothing else. And so we can understand the following verses like that.

We are born in sin, we are spiritually dead, we have nothing. The cost of salvation is free, it is a gift, we have nothing to give that will ever be worth the cost, of the free gift of salvation. This has everything to do with Christ dying for our sins, and paying for our sins with His own shed blood. And We must always remember that Christ deserves all the glory. The women provided out of their resources means that they did what they could, and they did it for Christ. They gave everything they had to Christ because they knew that He was God. And nothing on earth is as important as serving the Lord. They provided out of their own abilities and love for Christ, they didn’t Pay His way, they ministered to Christ because nothing on earth is going to be more valuable than eternal salvation, which Christ offered.

Remember the poor women who offered 2 mites. The Lord specifically mentions her because of the spiritual message and His love for her. She offered everything she had, every last scrap of worth that she owned, was given to the LORD. While the rich man gave much more, yet out of his total wealth, it was nothing, So who gave more?

Give everything if you love the Lord, hold nothing back, however this is also important, very very very important, the message isn’t money, its love, because you see works will get you nothing, absolutely nothing but spiritual death if you think you can DO ANYTHING, absolutely anything to help you even one single tiny smidgen of grace and that if you think anything you do will ever get you saved then you are sadly mistaken. Because Christ did all the work, and the true believer will recognize that.
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This is mystical language to realize one is NOTHING and from this nothing, it becomes ALL for that is all that is necessary.
 
These have nothing to do with money, that is an unfortunate interpretation… They provided out of their own abilities and love for Christ, they didn’t Pay His way
They have everything to do with money, that’s not an unfortunate interpretation, it’s
my opinion, and what struck me about the readings today. I didn’t even mention that
in Timothy today was also that famous line “the love of money is the root of all evil”.
Instead I chose “we came to this world with nothing, and we will leave this world with
nothing” because I’m acknowledging that it’s not just the money, it’s everything.

So, your opinion is, the readings aren’t about money at all, but about love. I agree
they are about love, too. But I didn’t see anything in the readings to say that your
works save you, or they don’t. Which part says that? But on that subject, the
bible does tell us that faith without works is dead. I think that probably dead faith
doesn’t save a person either. We want living faith from the living God. How we
want to do the work of God! But when the crowd said to Jesus, “What must we do
to do the work of God?”, He replied, “This is the work of God - to believe in the One
whom He sent, Jesus Christ”. Our works are the evidence of our faith, and our
faith is the evidence of the reality of God.

:blessyou:
 
Teach and urge these things.
Whoever teaches something different
and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ

This is what struck me…right from the get go…did not get far. We are sponsoring a conference for Moira Noonan who was an Occultist in the New Age and now is a Catholic Evangelist, teaching the deceptions of New Age. She had to even be exorcised.

Please pray for this comference…

Fitting isn’t it? 😃
Oh yes, I will pray for that…

Look how your passage continues…
“Whoever teaches something different
and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ
and the religious teaching
is conceited, understanding nothing,
and has a morbid disposition for arguments and verbal disputes”

Doesn’t it sound just like us on CAF! Why, this is what we sound like whenever
someone doesn’t agree with Catholic teaching. Then someone like me, for instance
might say something like “that’s not very nice, be nice to the poor unbeliever”.
Well, Paul to Timothy said it all first, but, he didn’t say it to their faces. Just to
Timothy.
 
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