So sad....

[bunnynessuk]

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7447942.stm

This article shows for the first time the ovulation of a woman, why then you might think is the title of the thread ‘so sad’ - this is because the picture was taken during a ‘routine operation’ - the hysterectomy of a 45 year old woman.

I think that it is so sad that this woman has been through such an op and that at the same time she was ovulating.

 

[Teakafrog]

He said: "It really is a fascinating insight into ovulation, and to see it in real life is an incredibly rare occurrence.

“It really is a pivotal moment in the whole process, the beginnings of life in a way.”

In a way? IN A WAY?!?!?!?!?

And of course she was having a hysto why? Obviously her parts all still worked. But you’re 45 now, MUST take those out of you!!! :banghead:

Lord have mercy on us all. Anything to keep a baby from being born, huh?

 

[Phemie]

That’s a bit of an overreaction considering there was absolutely no indication in the story of why this woman was having a hysterectomy.

 

[jwashu]

Yes, it could be cancer or other issues… I doubt many women at 45 would want to have one and take shots or pills for the rest of their life. I know of only one in that age group who has and she tried everything to keep from doing it first.

Joe

 

[Teakafrog]

That’s a bit of an overreaction considering there was absolutely no indication in the story of why this woman was having a hysterectomy.

Exactly. It said it was “A routine operation”. That’s the point. They do them all too frequently.

 

[Jennifer_J]

I didn’t read the article yet, but I think by routine, they mean it’s not some new, cutting edge procedure. Hysterectomies have been around a long time and they aren’t used for willy-nilly reasons and NEVER primarily for birthcontrol. They are used to cure disease. Please don’t make women who have undergone this procedure to improve their health feel GUILTY for choosing to have a hysterectomy. I think you all are reading too much into this. Just because she can ovulate, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have cancer, uncontrolled bleeding, or any other myriad health issues with her reproductive organs.

 

[Teakafrog]

Yes, but I’ll think they are necessary as often as they are performed when: men’s entire reproductive systems are removed at the same rate. What other body parts are so routinely completely removed, instead of being treated? Oh, I have cramps, let’s take it out. Gee, I’m starting menopause, and don’t want to deal with hot flashes, let’s take it out. I hear that all the time, when there is no real reason (like cancer or something, that really would call for removal of an organ).

 

[Nordar]

I had a hysterectomy when i was 45 and I was still ovulating, however if I did not have it done I was in serious danger of ovarian cancer, The pabst smear and biopsy showed that I had many pre cancerous cells in my ovary, Not a good thing! I am greatfull that my OBGYN found it!

 

[Nordar]

I didn’t read the article yet, but I think by routine, they mean it’s not some new, cutting edge procedure. Hysterectomies have been around a long time and they aren’t used for willy-nilly reasons and NEVER primarily for birthcontrol. They are used to cure disease. Please don’t make women who have undergone this procedure to improve their health feel GUILTY for choosing to have a hysterectomy. I think you all are reading too much into this. Just because she can ovulate, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have cancer, uncontrolled bleeding, or any other myriad health issues with her reproductive organs.

EXactly, they do not do them just for the heck of it, there has to be a legitimate reason. Doctors do not just do them willy nilly!

 

[Phemie]

Exactly. It said it was “A routine operation”. That’s the point. They do them all too frequently.

I’ve worked on a surgical ward. A hysterectomy would be considered routine as would an appendectomy, a tonsillectomy – as in “not unusual or rare”.

 

[kevinsgirl]

I didn’t read the article yet, but I think by routine, they mean it’s not some new, cutting edge procedure. Hysterectomies have been around a long time and they aren’t used for willy-nilly reasons and NEVER primarily for birthcontrol. They are used to cure disease. Please don’t make women who have undergone this procedure to improve their health feel GUILTY for choosing to have a hysterectomy. I think you all are reading too much into this. Just because she can ovulate, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have cancer, uncontrolled bleeding, or any other myriad health issues with her reproductive organs.

Ditto!

I think it’s an amazing picture, but just because the woman was having a hysterectomy while she was ovulating DOES NOT mean she did not need the procedure. If she was trying to no longer have children, having your tubes tied is a much less painful procedure. I think we can safely say that she had the surgery to deal with a female health problem and that whatever it was, we don’t need to know as it really is her own personal medical history. What we do have are some amazing pictures showing the amazing process of a woman’s body during ovulation.

 

[Phemie]

Yes, but I’ll think they are necessary as often as they are performed when: men’s entire reproductive systems are removed at the same rate. What other body parts are so routinely completely removed, instead of being treated? Oh, I have cramps, let’s take it out. **Gee, I’m starting menopause, and don’t want to deal with hot flashes, let’s take it out. **I hear that all the time, when there is no real reason (like cancer or something, that really would call for removal of an organ).

Oh yeah, because ob/gyns do hysterectomies all the time to relieve hot flashes.

 

[Nordar]

Oh yeah, because ob/gyns do hysterectomies all the time to relieve hot flashes.

Getting a hysterectomy does not stop hot flashes. nor does it eliminate the menopaus symtoms. After my hysterectomy I went into full menapause, withall that went with that, the hot flashes being the worst. It is absurd to say someone gets it to do away with hot flashes.

 

[SuscipeMeDomine]

In a way? IN A WAY?!?!?!?!?

And of course she was having a hysto why? Obviously her parts all still worked. But you’re 45 now, MUST take those out of you!!! :banghead:

Lord have mercy on us all. Anything to keep a baby from being born, huh?

Your misconceptions about hysterectomies are amazing. If a woman wants to be sterilized there are far simpler ways than removing her uterus. Tubal ligation is simple compared to a hysterectomy.

On the other hand, when dealing with uterine cancer hysterectomies are standard treatment.

Why in the world would you assume something negative about a woman you know nothing about?

Yes, but I’ll think they are necessary as often as they are performed when: men’s entire reproductive systems are removed at the same rate. What other body parts are so routinely completely removed, instead of being treated? Oh, I have cramps, let’s take it out. Gee, I’m starting menopause, and don’t want to deal with hot flashes, let’s take it out. I hear that all the time, when there is no real reason (like cancer or something, that really would call for removal of an organ).

What in the world makes you think that a hysterectomy would have any effect on hot flashes? The hot flashes are caused by hormones which come from the ovaries, not the uterus. Perhaps you should study anatomy a bit more.

Furthermore, if the woman had cancer the surgeon would also routinely remove her tubes and ovaries since those are the first places the cancer spreads. And guess what? When the ovaries are removed a woman who may not even be close to menopause suddenly goes into surgical menopause. Instant hot flashes and all the rest. And because uterine cancer responds to hormones, she will likely not be able to treat it with any kind of hormone therapy.

I cannot believe the comments in this thread.

Sign me
Been there, done that, happy to be alive

 

[Teakafrog]

I know they are done unnecessarily (along with the NECESSARY ones–duh!) because I’ve had more than one doctor offer to do one on me. I have PCOS–that was undiagnosed for years by lazy doctors who didn’t want to mess with testing me. They offered to ‘get rid of the problem’ by doing a total hyster on me before age 30. That, or take birth control pills, those were the options I was given. Once I finally found a competent doctor, it was as simple as doing enough tests to find the problem, then prescribing a simple pill I take daily (NOT birth control!). But if I would have listened to the other docs, I would be sterile for NO REASON.
And I know it has happened to others. I have had several women tell me they had hysters just because they started menopause, so their doc said they better ‘take it out before it caused problems–then you can start your hormone replacement’. We need to find out about our health issues, and get second, and even third opinions. Many surgeries are unnecessary, and hysters with no diagnosis of cancer are right up there on the list. So what is next–I have a stomachache, so remove the entire digestive system? A headache–so take the brain out? Many gyn problems can be fixed by competent specialists, like reproductive endocrinologists, without surgery. That was my point. You do not have to take it all out just because there is a problem–there are other treatments available, but most people blindly follow their docs who push surgery instead of finding out their options. Just like people vote without knowing all the facts. We are turning into a country of sheep, and that is just pathetic.

 

[Biblioassistant]

I had a hysterectomy about 5 years ago - I was in my early 50s at the time. I had several large benign uterine tumors, much pain and bleeding. I did NOT have my ovaries removed, since they were fine. The surgery totally relieved my pain, stopped the bleeding and since I still had my ovaries I went through menopause with little discomfort. I heard all kinds of scary stories, but for me this surgery was a relief.

 

[Jennifer_J]

. We are turning into a country of sheep, and that is just pathetic.

I’m sure you didn’t mean to call all of us who happen to disagree with you sheep, but that’s how it reads to me

The point is, you, nor anyone else here has any idea WHY this woman had to have a hysterectomy. Your personal issue is coloring your reaction to this story. I’ve never met anyone who had this surgery other than for near death bleeding (my mom) or cancer or endometriosis. Any doc who suggests a hysterecotmy for less serious reasons has problems, however, a woman who takes a docs advice isn’t a “sheep” either. Should she get a second opinion, probably, but that costs money.

The pictures are ultra cool, btw. I don’t know how I’d feel, though, if the doc stopped during the middle of the surgery to take the pics, though!

 

[Love_the_Lorax]

Thank you. I had a hysterectomy several years ago, long before I became Catholic. It was indeed for medical reasons, and my last pregnancy had placed both myself and daughter at significant risk (life-threatening for her definitely). I still have pangs of regret about the operation, even though it was done for medical reasons that simply couldn’t be cured with medicine.

I didn’t read the article yet, but I think by routine, they mean it’s not some new, cutting edge procedure. Hysterectomies have been around a long time and they aren’t used for willy-nilly reasons and NEVER primarily for birthcontrol. They are used to cure disease. Please don’t make women who have undergone this procedure to improve their health feel GUILTY for choosing to have a hysterectomy. I think you all are reading too much into this. Just because she can ovulate, doesn’t mean she doesn’t have cancer, uncontrolled bleeding, or any other myriad health issues with her reproductive organs.

 

[Seatuck]

I’m sure you didn’t mean to call all of us who happen to disagree with you sheep, but that’s how it reads to me

The point is, you, nor anyone else here has any idea WHY this woman had to have a hysterectomy. Your personal issue is coloring your reaction to this story. I’ve never met anyone who had this surgery other than for near death bleeding (my mom) or cancer or endometriosis. Any doc who suggests a hysterecotmy for less serious reasons has problems, however, a woman who takes a docs advice isn’t a “sheep” either. Should she get a second opinion, probably, but that costs money.

The pictures are ultra cool, btw. I don’t know how I’d feel, though, if the doc stopped during the middle of the surgery to take the pics, though!

That’s along the lines of what I was thinking. Fascinating catch but I hope they didn’t keep this poor woman under general anesthesia an extra 15 minutes just so they could get this captured.

I didn’t happen to find this story all that “sad”. I feel sorry for the woman losing her fertility and having to suffer an operation and probably having suffered discomfort from an illness. I agree with the doctor. Seeing the ovum expelled from the ovary is like seeing the beginnings of life “in a way”. It isn’t the beginnings of life because that of course would be conception. While we have respect for the reproductive organs they are not life.

 

[Katie1723]

I know they are done unnecessarily (along with the NECESSARY ones–duh!) because I’ve had more than one doctor offer to do one on me. I have PCOS–that was undiagnosed for years by lazy doctors who didn’t want to mess with testing me. They offered to ‘get rid of the problem’ by doing a total hyster on me before age 30. That, or take birth control pills, those were the options I was given. Once I finally found a competent doctor, it was as simple as doing enough tests to find the problem, then prescribing a simple pill I take daily (NOT birth control!). But if I would have listened to the other docs, I would be sterile for NO REASON.
And I know it has happened to others. I have had several women tell me they had hysters just because they started menopause, so their doc said they better ‘take it out before it caused problems–then you can start your hormone replacement’. We need to find out about our health issues, and get second, and even third opinions. Many surgeries are unnecessary, and hysters with no diagnosis of cancer are right up there on the list. So what is next–I have a stomachache, so remove the entire digestive system? A headache–so take the brain out? Many gyn problems can be fixed by competent specialists, like reproductive endocrinologists, without surgery. That was my point. You do not have to take it all out just because there is a problem–there are other treatments available, but most people blindly follow their docs who push surgery instead of finding out their options. Just like people vote without knowing all the facts. We are turning into a country of sheep, and that is just pathetic.

Please…tell us how you really feel. Goodness there are those of us who had hysterectomies for various reasons. None of which are your concern. Your attitude is uncharitable to say the least. I hope that the need for a hysterectomy isn’t something that happens to you. So in the mean time, baaaaaaaaaaaaak off.

Kathy