"So What If Abortion Ends Life?"

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So using the authors logic, if a woman murdered any person. It would be okay if it was an inconvenience to her? Because that’s what it sounds like . Sadly I don’t think pro choicers realize how gross and silly their arguments sound when they say stuff like this
 
Doesn’t it, though! I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone who’s pro-choice acknowledge that it’s human life from inception. Has anyone ever heard this? And that’s what’s scary, that she still wouldn’t bat an eye and go ahead and have an abortion and kill the child! 😦
According to Michael Voris, many pro-choice advocates can’t get people to buy the lie that a fetus isn’t a human being any more, so now they’ll start admitting the humanity of a fetus but they will kill it anyhow. Scares me!
 
According to Michael Voris, many pro-choice advocates can’t get people to buy the lie that a fetus isn’t a human being any more, so now they’ll start admitting the humanity of a fetus but they will kill it anyhow. Scares me!
And therein maybe lies a glimmer of light. Hopefully, more and more people will become aware of their deceitfulness! She said basically what you’re saying right here;
“Of all the diabolically clever moves the anti-choice lobby has ever pulled, surely one of the greatest has been its consistent co-opting of the word “life.” Life! Who wants to argue with that? Who wants be on the side of … not-life? That’s why the language of those who support abortion has for so long been carefully couched in other terms.*** While opponents of abortion eagerly describe themselves as “pro-life,” the rest of us have had to scramble around with not nearly as big-ticket words like “choice” and “reproductive freedom.” The “life” conversation is often too thorny to even broach***.”
Me thinks you’re onto something LegoGE1947!
 
What’s scary is that the very same words can be applied to newborns or infants or toddlers: To rewrite her phrase somewhat: “Yet a child can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose home it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity dependent on her. Always.”
What is scary is that the very same logic can be applied to any minority that a majority finds “less fit.”

Notice how the Demon has crafted the terms of this debate, terms like: “non-autonomous entity” or “choice” or “health.”

The pro-choice position is anti-science and anti-logic. Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th Ed, Moore, Persaud, Saunders states on page 2 that: “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being.” On page 18, it states: “Human development begins at fertilization.” In other words, we know that a fetus exists in time and space (being). We also know that it is human (genetically). We also know that it is alive. In other words, the fetus is a living human being. Now, most educated pro-deathers do not deny the scientific fact that the fetus is a human being. They simply use political power to deny these human beings their unalienable right to life. But the burden of proof rests with the pro-deathers. It is they who MUST PROVE that the unborn entity is NOT a human person before they can be justified in killing it. The burden of proof rests with the one wanting to do the killing.
 
And therein maybe lies a glimmer of light. Hopefully, more and more people will become aware of their deceitfulness! She said basically what you’re saying right here;

Me thinks you’re onto something LegoGE1947!
Exposed -

Pro-choice is the choice a woman wants to murder her unborn child who is denied choice and the right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that you yourself desire.
 
According to Michael Voris, many pro-choice advocates can’t get people to buy the lie that a fetus isn’t a human being any more, so now they’ll start admitting the humanity of a fetus but they will kill it anyhow. Scares me!
Scares me too! Again what really jumped out at me in thiS article was her comment about forcing women to have ultrasounds.She viewed this as out of line and far reaching!::eek:REALLY!!:eek:
 
Is it reasonable to think that maybe, just maybe the tide is starting to turn? Watching the March For Life both in D.C.and San Francisco, I was struck by the overwelming presence of youth there! On EWTN they reported it glowingly. They are the future of the pro-life movement. And that my friends is our true hope indeed! 🙂 👍
 
Is it reasonable to think that maybe, just maybe the tide is starting to turn? Watching the March For Life both in D.C.and San Francisco, I was struck by the overwelming presence of youth there! On EWTN they reported it glowingly. They are the future of the pro-life movement. And that my friends is our true hope indeed! 🙂 👍
Which brings up another observation re the March for Life.Our paper and most I’ve viewed online had little to no coverage of the various March for life gatherings.As opposed to up front and center on the front page coverage ad nauseaum on all the anti gun protests that took place this weekend.
 
Scares me too! Again what really jumped out at me in thiS article was her comment about forcing women to have ultrasounds.She viewed this as out of line and far reaching!::eek:REALLY!!:eek:
I’m with you Jeanne. Like you said in an earlier post “I would like to believe this article was written with the authors’ tongue firmly planted in her cheek,” but then I kept reading this horror story and realized that this woman means business! And then I thought about Planned Parenthood and their views and how this woman was basically echoing them. Which leads to the realization that there are millions who think like this. So yes, scary indeed! :eek:
 
Which brings up another observation re the March for Life.Our paper and most I’ve viewed online had little to no coverage of the various March for life gatherings.As opposed to up front and center on the front page coverage ad nauseaum on all the anti gun protests that took place this weekend.
It’s funny you mention this! One of the hosts covering the march mentioned that the mainstream media would basically ignore it. But you can be sure that if on the other hand, 75 people showed up to protest some liberal (fill in the blank) cause, all of the networks would show up. :rolleyes:
 
It’s funny you mention this! One of the hosts covering the march mentioned that the mainstream media would basically ignore it. But you can be sure that if on the other hand, 75 people showed up to protest some liberal (fill in the blank) cause, all of the networks would show up. :rolleyes:
Yep!:mad:
 
“Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always.”
(Red above = CaptFun’s emphasis. “Difficult to talk about” - yet …).
Let’s re-write this a few different ways with the words:
  • Old person
  • Disabled person
  • Sick person
  • Poor person
  • Person of colour
  • Homosexual
  • Woman
  • Protestant
  • Muslim
  • Jew
  • Catholic
instead of fetus.
:sad_yes: And what of the humanity of a “sleeping person”?

And what if instead of a woman’s rights … it were somehow a “husband’s rights” in a society inclined to give THAT eternal lattitude? Actually this is not entirely unthinkable … blend certain countries’ laws with the principles that have been established in the culture of death and we might wake up one day and find such a monstrosities as:

:okpeople: - Warning: Preposterous Pro-choice “reasoning” follows. Do not emulate! :tsktsk:

"Open minded" appeal:

"I personally would never terminate my wife … but I don’t think the government should be able to tell a man what he can an can’t do in his own home.

**Questionable human viability of the terminated **

“Just because I exercised my “right to choose” and terminated my wife in her sleep doesn’t mean I’m a bad person. She always told me that " … in her sleep” is how she *wanted to die. Besides - when a person is asleep are they really viable?

** invocation of the Michael Schiavo husband’s rights provision.
*
**“Sincere religious” appeal **
How close are we coming to hearing this kind of sophistry?*
“I meant it when I said ‘til death do us part’ - but it was time for me to move on. Society has no right to force a man to be married to someone when he doesn’t want to be. Had I died first … how could I have given her this wonderful funeral?”
NO. It’s NOT funny. Not in the sense of ha - ha. In the sense of “ewww…” it is “funny” as in perversely distorted. BUT - it is not unthinkable to see it happen somewhere (or sometime) soon.

Corollaries to the radical feminist culture of death question above: “So What If Abortion Ends Life?” are being crafted for public release in the halls of hell now. And in headlines like these we see that some of these **“life taking excuses” ** have already begun to be published, believed, allowed and/or championed.

msnbc.msn.com/id/11943750/ns/dateline_nbc/t/its-my-turn-talk-says-michael-schiavo/#.UQX2245OTzI
MSNBC interview:

Matt Lauer: People have often asked. Michael why didn’t you divorce Terri. You were living with Jodi.
**Michael Schiavo: **Why do I have to divorce Terri? Terri wasn’t like a football— an inanimate object you pass back and forth. She was my wife. You mean because your wife gets sick, do you give her back?
time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2055445,00.html

In THIS case the father who killed his daughter was convicted (of 2nd degree murder)
in what some speculated as an “honor killing.” The article estimates there are 5,000 of these worldwide each year. AND while it doesn’t rise to the level of “justification” yet -
cultural “explanations” are being given for this “procedure”.
From the “Time” article:
“Some families think that the women of the family represent their reputation,” Rana Husseini, a Jordanian journalist who has spent nearly two decades campaigning against the practice and author of the book Murder in the Name of Honor, explains. “If a woman has committed a violation in their point of view, they believe if they kill her, they have ended the shame. Blood cleanses honor.”
And in our multi-cultural and tolerant society what if one should ask - " Is a jury of western Christians or non-believers judging a Muslim … a “jury of his peers”? (Gulp hard here).

What if a jury of his fellow religionists found him innocent by virtue of his “office as a father” in their culture? A sort of jury nullification like “To Kill A Mockingbird” in reverse.

I post these things by way of warning. Our society is halfway through the looking glass and the “right sounding” justification for almost any action calling for a moral solution - might just prevail these days (reason, justice, and morality, being trumped by fashion, “tolerance” and apathy).

I agree with Triumphguy’s analysis … wondered if anything he warned against was in danger of actually happening … and remembered these things.

While I hold that the virtue of mercy CAN trump the virtue of justice (per Jesus’ “Go and sin no more” ruling) … it is not mercy to obliterate the law and justice altogether. That would end in anarchy and a living hell on earth.

The “So What …” principle behind this “argument (?)” has been around since Eden - and
when acted upon ends in consequences as serious as – “death” eventually. And not just for the explained away and killed baby. :nope:
 
And therein maybe lies a glimmer of light. Hopefully, more and more people will become aware of their deceitfulness! She said basically what you’re saying right here;

Me thinks you’re onto something LegoGE1947!
My, My,:rolleyes: Just think! Telling the truth has become diabolically “clever”!👍
 
Yes, whenever there is a denial of human rights, there is always a ‘Boss’. The title might change, Führer, ‘Massa’, Comrade Chairman. And that it their country, their plantation. And the excuse might vary as well.

But the result is the same. People die because they are inconvenient to the Boss
Fact is that an abortion is an execution. The woman’s intent is that the unborn child end up dead.
 
Is it reasonable to think that maybe, just maybe the tide is starting to turn? Watching the March For Life both in D.C.and San Francisco, I was struck by the overwelming presence of youth there! On EWTN they reported it glowingly. They are the future of the pro-life movement. And that my friends is our true hope indeed! 🙂 👍
Amen! 👍
 
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