So What is Wrong with Feminism?

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I consider myself a feminist. I am a Christian first, but a feminist. I believe in equal protection under the law for men and women, equal opportunities for both genders. There are some issues I have not worked out. I believe God created men and women equally and that we have complementary roles. I believe sin has distorted and crushed those roles and that in Christ Jesus there is neither male nor female and that God is no respecter of persons.
This is not meant as a credo as much as an explanation as to what I mean when I say I am a feminist. I believe in women. They can do a great deal of good in the world that men stop them from doing. They also do a great deal of good in the world that men cannot stop them from doing.

When I was fifteen my friends and I got ahold of some feminist literature. We decided we would burn our bras and become lesbians. We decided to do the second thing first, and we sort of all stood around and looked at each other. Nobody was interested. We were all boy crazy and we knew it, and that didn’t work, so we turned to bra burning. Only all we had was a cigarette lighter and that didn’t work. They aren’t that easy to burn (these weren’t anyway - not that I’ve taken a scientific sample, or ever tried it again -maybe Mythbusters can do an episode on it). Later we all had to explain the scorch marks to our mothers, and that was the end of THAT.

That’s not my kind of feminism.😃

So, in a roundabout way, I am asking, can feminism be compatible with Catholicism?
 
Like it or not, words have meaning and ideas have consequences.

Feminism, authentic feminism, is compatible with Church teaching. Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and women of their caliber were authentically feminist.

However, a different sort of feminism co-opted the sufferagettes’ legitimate, authentic struggle for equality under the law and the dignity of women.

These new feminists perverted it and made it their own. They wrote books. They marched in marches. They created magazines like Ms. and Playgirl. They sought protections for abortion, divorce, contraception. prostitution, and pornography under the law. And, now feminism has a meaning in our society and its ideas have consequences. And all of them are bad.

Therefore, when we speak of authentic womanhood in the Church, we should strive to avoid such terms which now have specific meanings in our society. We should not strive to be “feminists” or “traditionalists” or whatever but rather Catholic.

The Church provides abundant guidance in her writings and abundant examples in her Saints.
 
Ah. It is a loaded and ambiguous term where objective and exact terms are called for!

Thank you.

-Tina
 
TinaG said:
Ah. It is a loaded and ambiguous term where objective and exact terms are called for!
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Indeed, it depends on the term. Most modern feminists are very anti-man, pro-choice, and stuff like that which is incompatible with Catholicism. But if you are pro-woman, desiring for women that which God desires for women, and seeing the dignity in women God sees, then by all means, you are a compatible feminist.
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MarcoPolo said:
Indeed, it depends on the term. Most modern feminists are very anti-man, pro-choice, and stuff like that which is incompatible with Catholicism. But if you are pro-woman, desiring for women that which God desires for women, and seeing the dignity in women God sees, then by all means, you are a compatible feminist.
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😃

In parallel, are you a masculinist?

-Tina
 
Feminism today is a pseudo-religion that worships at the altar of abortion. Their goals are to completely destroy the family unit (which they believe enslaves women).
 
zz912 said:
Feminism today is a pseudo-religion that worships at the altar of abortion. Their goals are to completely destroy the family unit (which they believe enslaves women).
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How do you people come up with this stuff? Please read through the thread and check out the links before responding further.

Thank you very much!

-Tina:)
 
sba-list.org are affiliated with feminists for life and seem compatible with catholicism.

Some feminists ideas like abortion rights, women being church leaders are not compatible.
When I was fifteen my friends and I got ahold of some feminist literature. We decided we would burn our bras and become lesbians. We decided to do the second thing first, and we sort of all stood around and looked at each other. Nobody was interested. We were all boy crazy and we knew it, and that didn’t work, so we turned to bra burning. Only all we had was a cigarette lighter and that didn’t work. They aren’t that easy to burn (these weren’t anyway - not that I’ve taken a scientific sample, or ever tried it again -maybe Mythbusters can do an episode on it). Later we all had to explain the scorch marks to our mothers, and that was the end of THAT.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA LLLOOLL

Curse those male chauvinist pigs, they made your shackles out of fire retardant knowing full well it would cause empowered women to burn their fingers!
 
I can see that Feminists for Life are pro-Life but in what sense are they ‘feminist’?
 
Kaninchen said:
I can see that Feminists for Life are pro-Life but in what sense are they ‘feminist’?
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I am not sure whether you mean to imply that real feminists are inherently pro-choice, or whether you actually want to know their full platform. If it’s the first, I would refer you to the following links. The first is a list of historical pro-life feminists, including Susan B. Anthony, and a write-up of each of them in the monthly newsletter, and the second is some quotes from historical feminists about abortion.

feministsforlife.org/history/index.htm
feministsforlife.org/history/foremoth.htm

If you are looking for their full platform, I would encourage you to explore their site.
 
Spirithound said:
I am not sure whether you mean to imply that real feminists are inherently pro-choice, or whether you actually want to know their full platform. If it’s the first, I would refer you to the following links. The first is a list of historical pro-life feminists, including Susan B. Anthony, and a write-up of each of them in the monthly newsletter, and the second is some quotes from historical feminists about abortion.

feministsforlife.org/history/index.htm
feministsforlife.org/history/foremoth.htm

If you are looking for their full platform, I would encourage you to explore their site.
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I’ve done so now and before.

I’m asking a serious question - where are any issues that a feminist might consider ‘feminist’? Where’s the stuff on domestic violence? Women in the workplace? Or all the other conventional feminist issues?

It does seem rather an empty shell on anything than ‘life issues’.
 
Kaninchen said:
I’ve done so now and before.

I’m asking a serious question - where are any issues that a feminist might consider ‘feminist’? Where’s the stuff on domestic violence? Women in the workplace? Or all the other conventional feminist issues?

It does seem rather an empty shell on anything than ‘life issues’.
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I might invite you to look at the last few posts in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=321604 that discuss feminism.

I believe in women’s rights. I believe they should not be aborted. Most sex-selection abortions snuff out the life of a little girl.

Where is the stuff on women’s suffrage? No need. Or on owning property? Again, no need. There are laws and protections in society that, properly enforced, protect women from abuse and things such as discriminatory pain. I don’t know about where you live, but there is so much equal opportunity employment stuff in the workplace that I think it is a done deal.

What is a “conventional feminist issue” aside from these? I am curious.

-Tina “former bra burning lesbian” G
 
TinaG said:
I might invite you to look at the last few posts in this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=321604 that discuss feminism.

I believe in women’s rights. I believe they should not be aborted. Most sex-selection abortions snuff out the life of a little girl.

Where is the stuff on women’s suffrage? No need. Or on owning property? Again, no need. There are laws and protections in society that, properly enforced, protect women from abuse and things such as discriminatory pain. I don’t know about where you live, but there is so much equal opportunity employment stuff in the workplace that I think it is a done deal.

What is a “conventional feminist issue” aside from these? I am curious.

-Tina “former bra burning lesbian” G
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Well, if there’s no need for ‘feminism’, why call themselves ‘Feminists For Life’?
 
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