So when do you think you're country has become a socialist one?

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The idea that without government run schools kids would not learn to read is absolutely false. In fact, AFTER government took over the schools, the dumbing down began.

Read: “None Dare Call It Treason” by John A. Stormer which among other things discusses the origins of government controlled school systems. Also read “Why Johnny Can’t Read”.

Federal government involvement is almost a 100% lock on the definition of socialist government behavior when it is specifically NOT included in the enumerated powers listed in the Constitution.

The Federal Dept of Education is a total violation of the Constitution and is also utterly ineffectual AND a total waste of money. Just shut it down and cut the taxes. Let each individual state and municipality decide how best to educate the children of that state.

Just one example.

There are many more.

Please click on this:

[Why you never heard of the Great Depression of 1920]

youtube.com/watch?v=czcUmnsprQI

And read this.

mises.org/daily/3788

Hoover was an engineer who thought that he personally had all the answers.

Do you remember the Civil Aeronautics Board?

Under the CAB, every aspect of airline operations and management was controlled by the government. Scheduling, fares, frequency, meals … every aspect.

In California there was an intrastate airline, Pacific Southwest Airlines, and they offered rock bottom fares and frequent service and were wildly successful. Because they were intra-state, they were subject to the FAA for safety but outside the CAB for all the little nits and nats.

When Jimmy Carter, Ted Kennedy and Afred Kahn saw the success of PSA and the high fares of the airlines that operated under the CAB, they abolished the CAB. With open competition, airline fares plunged and airline traffic skyrocketed.

People loved it. Not all fares were as cheap as people would like and not all passengers like the lack of amenities. The city-pairs with the largest number of trips had the lowest fares. Some airlines sought out airports that had lower fees so they would have less congestion and lower costs. New airlines started up to provide more amenities, but quickly learned that no matter how much people complained, they always went for the lowest price ticket.

Some airlines that were unable to make the change or made bad decisions went out of business. But, there were plenty of other airlines. New airlines came up. Small airlines that were well run expanded. Take a look at Southwest Airlines. Take a look at Ryanair in Europe.

There is a lot of turmoil in the airline industry; nevertheless, it is vigorous, employs a lot of people and offers service where people want service.

There is also a vigorous general aviation sector, but mostly with crew-served jet aircraft, for people who need to do three cities per day or who want amenities. And then the fractional shares business airplane industry developed for people who didn’t want to buy a whole jet. The small plane general aviation sector atrophied primarily due to the lawsuits from the relatives of people who let their 40-year old airplanes run out of gas. [Yes, I am oversimplifying.]

The really big problem is the FAA which is about 50 years behind the state of the art in air traffic control.

The obsolete air traffic control system: In 1968, I worked with the USAF’s SAGE SQ-7] air defense system. It was a 1950’s system and it had more advanced displays and traffic management than FAA systems today. [Yes, yes, yes, different missions.] Nevertheless, the FAA is 50 years behind the state of the art in ATC. A while ago, I got a backstage tour at NAFEC - Atlantic City - where the FAA does their R&D for air traffic control. A lot of third-world ATC managers also were there; they were embarrassed for me; they were buying from “a catalog” more advanced ATC systems than the FAA was developing.

Take a look at how sclerotic the railroads were under the Interstate Commerce Commission. And look at how rigorous the railroads are today after the abolition of the ICC. The railroads are now able to provide competitive and attractive pricing and service. There is even a rebirth of short line railroads.

Take a look at the radical expansion and improvement in the telephone system after the abolition of the AT&T telephone monopoly. The government was removed from the equation.

Take Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. There were warnings after warnings [they are all on YouTube], but Barney Frank and Jamie Gorelick [also known as the Mistress of Disaster and a bunch of others had the votes and refused any of the suggested remedies; you can look her up. They falsified their books and refused any accountability and got big bonuses and then just walked away. Government economic regulation, in action.
I heard a commentator on a progressive radio station claim that FEMA was getting rave reviews for their work in helping flood relief victims in Tennessee.

What do you say? Should FEMA stay or go? Maybe some local volunteers could have done that work instead?

And good lord, you opened a can of worms with the banking thing. I will try and not get off on a tangent, but do you really think Barney Frank is the sole culprit? Howzabout the bankers who overleveraged themselves?
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The third problem with socialism is that it violates the principle of subsidiarity, which is that the smallest unit of society which can take care of a problem should take care of it. When schools were controlled at the very local level (town or county), that was all right; however, now that in the US the federal government has taken so much control of the schools, the principle of subsidiarity is being violated in this area.
Agreed on the ‘smallest unit’ part. But, as with most topics, the devil is in the details.

When Southern states had Jim Crow laws that continually undermined the Amendments to the Constitution that gave former slaves rights… wasn’t it a good thing for the Federal government to step in and trump that?

If a company pours PCB’s into a river, and it’s allowed in that state because companies have bought the Legislature… isn’t it a good thing to have a higher authority that can enforce a national standard?
 
Agreed on the ‘smallest unit’ part. But, as with most topics, the devil is in the details.

When Southern states had Jim Crow laws that continually undermined the Amendments to the Constitution that gave former slaves rights… wasn’t it a good thing for the Federal government to step in and trump that?

If a company pours PCB’s into a river, and it’s allowed in that state because companies have bought the Legislature… isn’t it a good thing to have a higher authority that can enforce a national standard?
You are talking about enforcing something that is already in the Constitution…that isn’t government takeover…?
 
I heard a commentator on a progressive radio station claim that FEMA was getting rave reviews for their work in helping flood relief victims in Tennessee.

What do you say? Should FEMA stay or go? Maybe some local volunteers could have done that work instead?

And good lord, you opened a can of worms with the banking thing. I will try and not get off on a tangent, but do you really think Barney Frank is the sole culprit? Howzabout the bankers who overleveraged themselves?
My experience with FEMA is that they are strictly a check-writing grant agency.

You ask them for money and they send a check. They’re not an operations agency.

But even so, the amount of money from FEMA is very small.

Cut the taxes and let the local governments handle the problems.

A declared state of emergency will allow the National Guard to be mobilized [a state agency] and also allow people to deduct certain expenses from the Federal income taxes [which are way too high anyway. Also way too complex. Although we don’t want to go to the two line Federal simplified tax return: 1: how much did you make 2: send it in.]

When you look at things like Hurricane Katrina, you need to compare the relative success of Mississippi versus the total collapse of Louisiana.

governorbarbour.com/

Seems to me that the floods in Tennessee are being handled mostly by local people; they’re not really sitting around waiting for the Federal government to send the vast bureaucracy.

Unlike the folks in New Orleans who WERE mostly waiting for the government to respond. It wasn’t FEMA that let the school buses get flooded. Louisiana has had levee committees for more than a hundred years. And Louisiana let the levee committees do sloppy work, divert monies to casino facilities, and work with the Army Corps of Engineers to build levees that fell over.

If the politicians in a state are utterly incompetent, then the voters have the option of unelecting them and putting in a new team.

No, wait. The voters in Louisiana DID do that.
 
Agreed on the ‘smallest unit’ part. But, as with most topics, the devil is in the details.

When Southern states had Jim Crow laws that continually undermined the Amendments to the Constitution that gave former slaves rights… wasn’t it a good thing for the Federal government to step in and trump that?

If a company pours PCB’s into a river, and it’s allowed in that state because companies have bought the Legislature… isn’t it a good thing to have a higher authority that can enforce a national standard?
atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts17.html

If you read all this stuff from the government, there isn’t any ACTUAL negative human effects from PCB’s. You would think that by now, there would be actual knowledge of factual cases of harmful effects on humans caused by PCB’s. General Electric employees actually used to wash with PCB’s after the end of their shift. They said it was an excellent degreaser. No harmful effects. [One of my co-workers went there to do some on-site research.]

Yeah, so then the Feds order the PCB’s to be dredged and all that does is stir the mess up instead of just letting them stay on the bottom of the river and get silted in.

PCB’s were used in electrical transformers to prevent fires. After the PCB’s were eliminated, guess what, transformers started to catch on fire.
 
I confesss, I don’t understand a lot of the hostility about the Census. All of the Constitutional minimalists out there shouldn’t have a problem with it- it was in the original Constitution; it wasn’t created by partisans yesterday.

I love using old Census data for genealogy research. It’s a gold mine. And you know what questions were being asked way back in the 1890’s and 1920’s? Ethnicity. Country of origin. Highest level of education. Asking such “invasive” questions way back then doesn’t seem to have launched our country into a downward spiral.
No, I don’t have a problem with the census in general, when used to figure out representation. I just laughed when I heard that ad because if the bus systems were private (as they once were!!!), then they wouldn’t need a census to tell them that they needed to add more buses or routes.

(WRT the census, I don’t mind telling the government that I and my family exist in a certain location. I *totally *object to the questions about race, because keeping records that way leads to divisiveness and gerrymandering according to race, neither of which is helpful to attaining a society in which race is not a factor. And other questions really make me crazy–who cares if I own or rent, etc?)
 
Agreed on the ‘smallest unit’ part. But, as with most topics, the devil is in the details.

When Southern states had Jim Crow laws that continually undermined the Amendments to the Constitution that gave former slaves rights… wasn’t it a good thing for the Federal government to step in and trump that?
If people don’t like their state’s laws, they can work (more effectively than on a national level) to change them or they can vote with their feet.

And while the feds eliminated Jim Crow laws, they also made it impossible for states to impose abortion laws, so the problem works both ways.
If a company pours PCB’s into a river, and it’s allowed in that state because companies have bought the Legislature… isn’t it a good thing to have a higher authority that can enforce a national standard?
If people don’t like their state’s laws, they can work (more effectively than on a national level) to change them or they can vote with their feet.

WRT pollution, if one state permits pollution, and that affects another state, the affected state would (under subsidiarity) be able to take the problem to the federal level.

Many states have been adversely affected by federal environmental laws which they would not have put into place themselves. Again, the sword cuts both ways.
 
Our nation *is *socialist!!! How do I know? because I heard this ad which the Census put out: It is very important for everyone in X-town to fill out the Census forms and mail them back in. This is the way X-town government will know how many busses to run…

This is totally true (altho not a precise quote).
Isn’t it a shame that so many will accept this idea. Never the thought of, gee, the busses are full with waiting lines, or, gee…these busses are all empty.
 
I heard a commentator on a progressive radio station claim that FEMA was getting rave reviews for their work in helping flood relief victims in Tennessee.

What do you say? Should FEMA stay or go? Maybe some local volunteers could have done that work instead?

And good lord, you opened a can of worms with the banking thing. I will try and not get off on a tangent, but do you really think Barney Frank is the sole culprit? Howzabout the bankers who overleveraged themselves?
I was in an area that was hit so that FEMA had to come in. FEMA handed out a lot of checks, that is true. But to whom? To people who did not have insurance. FEMA has also rebuilt hundreds of houses (not just here, but over the years in my state), providing trailers for people to live in while their house is being rebuilt, and paying for new houses. The thing about the houses idea is that they didn’t just rebuild houses that had been demolished–they rebuilt houses that had been damaged but would not be brought up to code by repairing that damage. As an example, someone had quite serious roof damage in an old house. If the roof had been repaired, the house would have been in its previous state, but the previous state would not have been up to some standard (local new house standard? Some federal standard?) so they said they could *either *replace the house or do *nothing *because of that. So we taxpayers got billed for $100K instead of under $10K for even replacing the entire roof (which only leaked, having been replaced within the previous year).

Another thing is that volunteers and church groups *poured *into the area (I was embarrassed than none were Catholic 😦 ). Several stayed for months, rotating volunteers from wherever they came from; another stayed for over 3 or 4 years. Some provided for immediate needs, others for long-term needs, and still others worked on houses for people who could not afford their own repairs. All done without the help of the government. So, yeah, we could probably do without FEMA.
 
sighs I know I said I wasn’t going to respond to anything, but making a huge lie about my country like that I won’t let go unchallenged.

If I may, we do in fact have conscience laws so we can oppose gay rights and abortion rights based on religious grounds. Our pro-life community is incredibly intelligent and our House of Commons destroyed a euthanasia bill some weeks ago and also destroyed a bill that would contraceptives in our health plan for the G8 Summit this year. Last time I checked, we have a Bible in every school library and religious discrimination is still illegal.

That’s not what I call suppression of the Bible. I’ve lived in Canada my whole life, so I think I would know a little more about the nation than someone who hasn’t.
Me too.It’s sometimes shocking to see,hear or read the misconceptions some people have about our Nation.
Mrs.Clinton American Secretary of State had the effrontry to scold OUR government when she was a guest in OUR Nation for refusing to support the G8 decision to include abortion in Women’s "Health"Care in developing countries,which the US approved.
 
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