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MartinJordan
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Then we can say Christianity is right for some people (2.8 billion?) and wrong for the rest of humanity.
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ExCatholicGuy
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OK, just prove that God revealed the absolute Truth through Catholicism, and the argument will be settled once and for all!
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Publisher
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And here is our disagreement on the matterā¦you accept the gospel records as historical factā¦I see them as statements of faith by the emerging faith community of proto-orthodoxy over and against all other forms of early Christianity.
To use a ālabelā, our paths donāt necessarily run parallel or crossā¦I am āliberalāā¦my assumption is you are āconservativeā when it comes to religious history and biblical studyā¦I am notā¦I find the writings of John Spong, Marcus Borg, John Dommic Crossan, Burton Mack, Eilene Pagels, Joan OāGrady, Bart Erhman, Robert Price to be much more compelling and ātruthfulā to history than the 'faith affirming history" set forth by most conservative Christians. I see such histories set forth in the same vein as I view the multi-volume āHistory of the Churchā published by the LDSā¦a very skewed and āfaith affirmingā history which denies the validity of secular and āliberalā historians.
Christianity as it exists today took centuries of internal struggles with the competing āversionsā of Christianity that formed in the decades after the death of Jesus of Nazarethā¦āorthodoxyā finally won primacy. There was never one pristine early Christian church.
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MartinJordan
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Im sorry you feel this way.And here is our disagreement on the matterā¦you accept the gospel records as historical factā¦I see them as statements of faith by the emerging faith community of proto-orthodoxy over and against all other forms of early Christianity.
To use a ālabelā, our paths donāt necessarily run parallel or crossā¦I am āliberalāā¦my assumption is you are āconservativeā when it comes to religious history and biblical studyā¦I am notā¦I find the writings of John Spong, Marcus Borg, John Dommic Crossan, Burton Mack, Eilene Pagels, Joan OāGrady, Bart Erhman, Robert Price to be much more compelling and ātruthfulā to history than the 'faith affirming history" set forth by most conservative Christians. I see such histories set forth in the same vein as I view the multi-volume āHistory of the Churchā published by the LDSā¦a very skewed and āfaith affirmingā history which denies the validity of secular and āliberalā historians.
Christianity as it exists today took centuries of internal struggles with the competing āversionsā of Christianity that formed in the decades after the death of Jesus of Nazarethā¦āorthodoxyā finally won primacy. There was never one pristine early Christian church.
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Bballer32
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Love it!
Iām about to go on a major posting spree hereā¦ i might need that bunker that you used a while ago.
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Bballer32
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Moral Relativsim at its finest.
Try Joseph Smith for your interest in the starting of Mormonism.
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Bballer32
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Just prove that God DIDNT reveal the Truth to the Catholic Church and the argument will be settled once and for all!!
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ExCatholicGuy
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You canāt prove a negative. The burden of proof rests with those making the positive assertion - that God did reveal the Truth through Catholicism.
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Jeanne_S
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Christ instituted the Catholic Church.He is The Truthā¦
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ExCatholicGuy
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āHe is The Truthā is just an assertion, not proof.
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pablope
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How do you know God did not? Did God tell you? The HS reveal this to you?
And what is your basis for your belief?
It looks like you have already decided on the fork of the road leading to that the catholic claim is not trueā¦so that nothing will convince you.
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pablope
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Do you believe in the Bible that it is truth?
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Jeanne_S
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Christ said"I am the Truth,the Light and the Way"
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Lapey
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Iād like to see you prove that you are not still Catholicā¦you canāt wash off the indelible mark on your soul you know.
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ExCatholicGuy
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I donāt know what God did or did not do. Do you? If so, how do you know?
The basis for my belief is simply reason.
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ExCatholicGuy
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He certainly might have said that. But how do you know itās true?
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pablope
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Lapey
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Itās God the Sonās assertionā¦good enough proof for me.
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ExCatholicGuy
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I donāt know that I have any indelible mark - I see no evidence of such. Again, itās just an assertion.Iād like to see you prove that you are not still Catholicā¦you canāt wash off the indelible mark on your soul you know.
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