So you think Catholisim is wrong?

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pablope said:
This is your assertion…"I see no evidence of "…why do you believe this assertion of yours?
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Because I’m simply stating my own thoughts. It is a fact that I see no evidence. Obviously you do see evidence that’s convincing to you, and that’s fine.
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
Because I’m simply stating my own thoughts. It is a fact that I see no evidence. Obviously you do see evidence that’s convincing to you, and that’s fine.
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Again,I am curious to know,when you left your Catholic faith,what caused you to do so?
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
Because I’m simply stating my own thoughts. It is a fact that I see no evidence. Obviously you do see evidence that’s convincing to you, and that’s fine.
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As bballer said…there should be a basis for these thoughts of yours…that is why you are making the assertion…so what you believe that Jesus is not God and did not come down to earth?
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
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I don't think any faith which purports to know God in as much detail as Christianity does can be correct.
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Cannot God reveal as much detail as He desires about Himself?
ExCatholicGuy said:
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  And the more numerous and specific the details (Catholicism certainly leads the pack in that regard), the wrong-er it's likely to be.
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This is an interesting observation. On what basis do you make it?

Is there any other institution that has been continuously functioning for 2000 years that has less numerous and specific details? Or for that matter, even 100 years? How do you think it might compare, for example, with the numerous and specific details of the American court system in the last 200 years?
ExCatholicGuy said:
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I believe God is so far beyond our comprehension that attempts to define His characteristics (e.g. Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are hopelessly inadequate.
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Without question, this is very true.

But, people strive to wrap their minds around it anyway.
ExCatholicGuy said:
Neither do I believe that the Bible is an accurate record of God’s relationship with man.
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Yeah, that does throw a wrench in Catholic faith.

How about a record of man’s relationship with God?

I am curious to know how you think about the Bible.
ExCatholicGuy said:
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In particular, I do not think it's logical that an eternal, omnipresent God would instantiate himself as man for a brief period of time in a small part of the world, and expect all of us who weren't there to know His will solely by a written and oral record transmitted by fallible humans.
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Indeed it is a very profound mystery.
 
pablope said:
How do you know God did not? Did God tell you? The HS reveal this to you?

And what is your basis for your belief?

It looks like you have already decided on the fork of the road leading to that the catholic claim is not true…so that nothing will convince you. 🤷
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One has to wonder what brings a person in such a state of mind to a forum like this one.

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pablope said:
Well…if there is anything wrong with Catholicsm…then the gates of hell has prevailed…and now you are not sure if what you got from us is in error or not…🤷
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From my viewpoint, I don’t have to take an “either/or” stand on the Catholic church. Perhaps there are incorrect dogmas of the Catholic church, but I certainly don’t think that faithful adherence to those dogmas would have any effect ones salvation.

Put it this way, If I meet a Catholic struggling in their faith, I always do my best to point them back to their Catholic Church.
 
JonNC said:
My main concern is universal jurisidiction. I regularly check the Catechism online when I have a question.

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Hey Jon. Of course there are hundreds of autonomous churches in the world today, making universal jurisdiction, in terms of one Church, impossible. Universal jurisdiction, logically, should only apply to those belonging to the one Catholic Church. Moreover, it shouldn’t encompass the Eastern Orthodox churches either. Ultimately, universal jurisdiction should only apply to the those belonging to the Catholic (universal) Church.

Therefore, I completely agree with you!

When Irenaeus says “every church” clearly he is talking about only the particular Catholic Churches in communion with the church of Rome. What I mean is: if Protestant Churches, as we know them today, had existed then, universal jurisdiction would not have encompassed them, just as it does not today, for the simple fact that they would not be considered part of the Catholic Church.

According to Irenaeus (140-202 AD) and others, the Church of Rome was the source of authority:

"We point to the tradition of that very great and very ancient and universally known Church, which was established at Rome…for with this Church, because of its superior authority, every church must agree." (Against Heresies 3, 3:2).
 
ExCatholicGuy;10380966]I don’t think any faith which purports to know God in as much detail as Christianity does can be correct. And the more numerous and specific the details (Catholicism certainly leads the pack in that regard), the wrong-er it’s likely to be. I believe God is so far beyond our comprehension that attempts to define His characteristics (e.g. Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are hopelessly inadequate. Neither do I believe that the Bible is an accurate record of God’s relationship with man. In particular, I do not think it’s logical that an eternal, omnipresent God would instantiate himself as man for a brief period of time in a small part of the world, and expect all of us who weren’t there to know His will solely by a written and oral record transmitted by fallible humans
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Hey ExCatholicGuy. Where does that leave you, in terms of God and God’s plan for the human race, if you don’t mind me asking? It sounds like you are leaning toward agnosticism?
 
ExCatholicGuy said:
You can’t prove a negative. The burden of proof rests with those making the positive assertion - that God did reveal the Truth through Catholicism.
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You are right and we all, at one time, have struggled with what you are struggling with right now. Perhaps you are not even struggling anymore…I suppose we all have to find our own way. Sometimes I too wish that Jesus would just literally prove His existence and the claims of His Catholic Church, but He did not. Perhaps it is a free-will issue. 🤷 Historically, the only thing that can be proven is the fact that the church of Pentecost is either one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches or the one Catholic Church. I will keep you in my prayers, if you don’t mind. 👍

By the way: your thoughts on the miraculous nature of Fatima e.g. the exact prediction of the children and the actual miracle of the sun witnessed by thousands of people, including atheists, non-believers etc?
 
pablope said:
How do you know God did not? Did God tell you? The HS reveal this to you?

And what is your basis for your belief?

It looks like you have already decided on the fork of the road leading to that the catholic claim is not true…so that nothing will convince you. 🤷
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I think what he is saying is: there is no experiential or observational proof. Something akin to the empirical proof witnessed by thousands of people at Fatima. To me, Fatima is incredible proof that the Catholic Church is the church founded by God. 👍
 
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