So you think Catholisim is wrong?

[Lapey]

Huh?
If someone is given “evidence” of something, and they don’t find this evidence convincing…you are calling that moral relativism? That is nowhere near a definition of moral relativism.

Ex-C Guy gave a few examples of why he doesn’t believe what you believe in earlier posts. They were sound.

He has produced no such thing. All he has produced is the assertion that he sees no evidence. What he is truly saying is that he ignores evidence, it is there, but still for him it is not real. Hummm, sounds relative to me.

His assertions would be like me saying I don’t believe the USA is real, I know there is a constitution, but I do not believe it so therefore I see no evidence of the USA existing.

Historically and physically the Catholic Church has and does exists and will continue to exist into the future until the end of time. Jesus is found in historical documents outside of Church documents. The Church, the Catholic Church has existed since shortly after His death and ressurection; this is no assertion, it is fact backed up by Scripture, Tradition and history outside of the Church.

To say the this is not true and to claim to see no evidence of it is relativism and also exactly what he accused us of doing, making assertions.

 

[dolphinlove]

*Catholicism

There i spelt i correctly.
Please forgive my spelling mistake since i decided to post this at midnight and wasnt fully awake, how dare i!

 

[KathleenGee]

To say God is beyond our comprehension…so true…

But then God created us and He knows our limitations. He is alot more forgiving than to create us and then throw us out there.

He revealed Himself to the Jewish people. Abraham is the father of the Jewish race. And Catholics are in faith and tradition, likewise descendents of faith from the Jewish tradition, although we as Gentiles are not Jewish by race.

You should get John Paul II’s, ‘Threshold of Hope’. Christianity is the only religion where God is revealed to us so much of love and compassion, and defining how bad sin is, and how it deforms us.

Jesus is the face of God. JPII said that the lowest God could come to us, was to come down to us as a Man to save us and to redeem us.

Pope Benedict said recently that all religions should refer to one point…it is not God of Himself…but – the human person. How do we treat and look at the human person???

One human being is created in the image and likeness of God in manner of free will and intellect. God is reflecting Himself in you and I.

When you find out that God is reflecting Himself in you, in me, in all of humanity…not as a class or masses of people, but the dignity of every single human being, then you will find out just how amenable God is to us, in spite of His own mystery which is incomprehensible to us.

God is speaking to us every single day, He is speaking to us in the deepest and most spiritual inner resources of our inner being. We are His living temple.

The answer is way down deep in you. Don’t look at the market place, the noise the conflicts…seek silence and reflection…seek your humanity…tune into yourself and see and listen to your inner being and find out what it is calling you to see and open your eyes to a greater reality that is calling you out to.

 

[GaryTaylor]

Because I don’t find the evidence that Christ was/is God to be convincing.

What does one need do to fulfill the requirements? Perhaps I’m too easy on Jesus? Who is Jesus Christ then?

 

[guanophore]

Because I’m simply stating my own thoughts. It is a fact that I see no evidence. Obviously you do see evidence that’s convincing to you, and that’s fine.

I am curious, Ex. To what do you attribute the existence of the Church, and all the Christian denominations? Is this some sort of mass hallucination?

Have these billions of human beings for the last 2000 years simply deluded themselves? Is Freud correct that it is a manifestation of a human complex?

 

[guanophore]

By revelation which is revealed to the elect…

How does one know that something of this kind has been revealed? How do you know it is not a figment of your imagination?

 

[AnantharajManoj]

Are you sure you’re the 1 true church? Because the Mormons would disagree with you they say they are the 1 true church. And they make the same apostolic claims you do, they also claim that Jesus Christ started their church so who’s right you, or them?

Peace be with you Brother!!

Im sorry that you didnot understand the meaning of the true church. The Catholic Church is the True Church because it is an Universal Church.

The True Church means Whole Christian community. It is you and it is me and all…

And brother dont fight for the First place in Christian communities. Since we are the body of the CHRIST we are doing the identical works that differs with other denomination.

I call for the United Christian Church that is nothing but Catholic Church, which have the Peter as the first Pope. You need to understand that you are also a Catholic until Martin Luther came outside the Church.

Past is Past. Digging the Past is waste of time. Now the Church is facing many problems with Islam, Hinduism, Communism… Let us unite together to fight against the anti Christian elements with Peace and Pray.

 

[ExCatholicGuy]

I am curious, Ex. To what do you attribute the existence of the Church, and all the Christian denominations? Is this some sort of mass hallucination?

Have these billions of human beings for the last 2000 years simply deluded themselves? Is Freud correct that it is a manifestation of a human complex?

I would ask the same question about Mormonism and Islam and Hinduism and all the other faiths. I think they’re a manifestation of people seeking authoritative answers, believing - or wanting to believe - that someone else has already figured out what’s true.

 

[truthseeker32]

If I had to provide a thorough account or argument for why I believe the Catholic faith is true, I imagine it would turn into a book, maybe two. Given that it took me 5 years of study to figure out what I believe, and knowing that explaining my beliefs would take a substantial amount of time, I always find threads like this interesting. It is often difficult to briefly discuss what requires thousands of words to explain.

“The difficulty of explaining why I am a Catholic, is that there are 10,000 reasons all amounting to one reason: that Catholicism is true.” -G.K. Chesterton

That being said, it is important not to be lazy in our inquiries. I’ve known far too many people to assume that because multiple religious groups claim to be the true faith that they might as well not even bother figuring out whether one of the faiths is more correct than the other.

 

[speakttruth]

My main concern is universal jurisdiction. I regularly check the Catechism on line when I have a question.

Jon

Jon,
Everything is in Bible according how the Pope is compared to Moses and how the hierarchy works. Just remember the Catholic church put the Bible together, so they are the only authority to interpret it. It’s our book that other religions are trying to go by on there own. Unfortunately there are over 33,000 different protestant Church’s that are teaching according to there own opinions, who’s right then? The Pastors picks and chooses what they want to preach. The Catholic Church teaches without error in Faith and Morals. They set up the rules for us to follow and all the church’s are supposed to be the same in all the world. If you put together a book with a certain understanding and someone else hijacked it to change it, wouldn’t you be upset? How can you trust it? Peter was left the responsibility to take care of the church, straight from the mouth of Jesus, and all the bishops and Popes in the Catholic Church can be traced to Peter. And not one Pope, even a couple of Bad ones unfortunately, ever taught heresies. FR. Baron on EWTN did a series on Catholicism on a DVD and we are starting that in our church, it’s suppose to be very good. Maybe you can get something like that can explain it better. Sorry if I sounded a little short.
God bless.
GB

 

[Villy101]

There are many religions in the world all pointing to hold the truth to God.

How do we know Catholocism holds the ultimate truth?

All religions have their own roads that claim to lead to God. Catholocism is not like this.

Catholocism is based on not a road trying to find the truth-God, but it is based on God’s search for man to bring the truth to us through Jesus.

Throughout history, man made religion has failed.

Catholocism, is the restoration of God’s will through the revelation of Jesus Christ, his teachings, and the establishment of our Universal Church so that we may preach and teach his word to future generations.

 

[Publisher]

Im sorry you feel this way.

MJ

Friend, don’t be sorry…I would have walked away from God a long time ago if it weren’t for such historians and scholars that provided me with an historical framework to work out my faith and continue this Journey…for me these scholars and historians put Christianity into a framework of history that is credible to me.

 

[Birdpreacher]

Its not that Catholicism is wrong its just impossible to prove that its right.



As Cathoics we are called to take on the Bible through faith. Faith means throwing reason aside and believing in sometthing we can never prove with absolute certainty. Thats the situation God has chosen to place us in. He wants us to believe he exists, not know he exists.

PS: Feel free to replace the word Bible in the flowchart with Koran, Talmud, Book of Mormon etc. We are all in the same boat when it comes to lacking proof.

 

[gnosisofthomas]

Well this is a Catholic site and if you don’t know what Catholicism is, pick up Catechism.
GB

I was joking… look at the spelling.

 

[exnihilo]

Obviously I’m not convinced that Catholicism is right, else I’d be a Catholic. But I like others think it does have far more right than wrong. One thing I really do appreciate is that the Catholic Church is not afraid to take a firm stand on beliefs. It is just at this point that so much trouble comes. But compared to much of the rest of Christianity which has become extremely reticent to proclaim much beyond ‘Jesus is in some way God’s son and he loves you’ I find it refreshing.

 

[JonNC]

Jon,
Everything is in Bible according how the Pope is compared to Moses and how the hierarchy works. Just remember the Catholic church put the Bible together, so they are the only authority to interpret it. It’s our book that other religions are trying to go by on there own. Unfortunately there are over 33,000 different protestant Church’s that are teaching according to there own opinions, who’s right then? The Pastors picks and chooses what they want to preach. The Catholic Church teaches without error in Faith and Morals. They set up the rules for us to follow and all the church’s are supposed to be the same in all the world. If you put together a book with a certain understanding and someone else hijacked it to change it, wouldn’t you be upset? How can you trust it? Peter was left the responsibility to take care of the church, straight from the mouth of Jesus, and all the bishops and Popes in the Catholic Church can be traced to Peter. And not one Pope, even a couple of Bad ones unfortunately, ever taught heresies. FR. Baron on EWTN did a series on Catholicism on a DVD and we are starting that in our church, it’s suppose to be very good. Maybe you can get something like that can explain it better. Sorry if I sounded a little short.
God bless.
GB

I’ve heard “short” here before, and this ain’t it. You’re fine.

To be honest, I can’t control what other communions and fellowships teach. As for what my pastor preaches on, within Lutheranism it is typically the case that he speaks on something related to the lectionary and the Church year, and is always in conformity to Lutheran doctrine, the Book of Concord. If he doesn’t, f he strays from Lutheran doctrine, he will hear from me and ultimately from the synod.

I know the Catholic position on this, and I believe to a degree there is validity to the claim of a level of primacy.

Jon

 

[mlamg]

I don’t think any faith which purports to know God in as much detail as Christianity does can be correct. And the more numerous and specific the details (Catholicism certainly leads the pack in that regard), the wrong-er it’s likely to be. I believe God is so far beyond our comprehension that attempts to define His characteristics (e.g. Father, Son and Holy Spirit) are hopelessly inadequate.

Neither do I believe that the Bible is an accurate record of God’s relationship with man. In particular, I do not think it’s logical that an eternal, omnipresent God would instantiate himself as man for a brief period of time in a small part of the world, and expect all of us who weren’t there to know His will solely by a written and oral record transmitted by fallible humans.

Completely agree. There are far more unknowns in relation to God that there are knowns. The main problem the Catholic Church has is insisting on filling in every single blank. They aren’t very comfortable with the unknown, IMO.

 

[lax16]

I don’t think it’s wrong. I just don’t find it religiously compelling. Though I do find the Church academically and culturally fascinating.

The Catholic Church and Her 2,000 years of history - fighting heresy, miracles, apparitions - isn’t religiously compelling? What is lacking?

 

[benjohnson]

One thing I really do appreciate is that the Catholic Church is not afraid to take a firm stand on beliefs.

I’m also thankful that the Catholic Church has been steadfast and firm, and I’m even happier to see that there’s a renewed emphasis on teaching those beliefs to the Catholic faithful.

 

[Nicea325]

Completely agree. There are far more unknowns in relation to God that there are knowns. The main problem the Catholic Church has is insisting on filling in every single blank. They aren’t very comfortable with the unknown, IMO.

The unknown? Ahhhh…such as…?