So you think you're a Traditional Catholic?

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Folks, if the smilies didn’t give it away, I was just having a little fun. Trying to avoid the emotion and bitterness that comes with topics such as these. No harm intended 🙂

I’ve got to go to work now.

(Now I bet you are smiling ! 😛 )
 
Once in a very great while I find myself having to attend a “charismatic-like” Catholic Mass of sorts because it’s the final Mass on Sundays here locally.

When I attend I do not notice a single liturgical abuse or delict. While it’s not really my thing, those that attend seem to really be on fire for God and His Son. I also note a total lack of the judgment that so permeates other Masses here locally.

The music is just fine – although it’s not Gregorian Chant nor pipe organ music – now does it need to be. The people seem very friendly and yes most do hold hands, but the focus is clearly on the representation of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for our sins. Can’t get any more sublime than that.
 
I_Believe said:
Folks, if the smilies didn’t give it away, I was just having a little fun. Trying to avoid the emotion and bitterness that comes with topics such as these. No harm intended 🙂

I’ve got to go to work now.

(Now I bet you are smiling ! 😛 )
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Dry out that keyboard … and don’t multi-task (CA and sipping coffee? NEVER.) Thanks for breaking in with some hilarity.
 
catharina said:
Dry out that keyboard … and don’t multi-task (CA and sipping coffee? NEVER.) Thanks for breaking in with some hilarity.
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We’re supposed to drink coffee and spend time on the forum at different times?!?

WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SLEEP?!? 😃
 
603304529 said:
Hi latinmass,

I don’t disagree at all. I think you’re spot-on.

A Traditionalist is a Traditionalist.** A Traditionalist cannot be correctly defined as someone who goes along with whatever Rome says**, with complete disregard for the traditions of the Church’s tradition.

A wise man once told me when I was a child: “obey your father”. Then, as I grew older and more mature, and able to understand what was meant by it, the same wise man told me: “obey your father. But, if he tells you to jump off a cliff, or to cut off your foot, you may disobey his order. But you must still obey him in other things.”.

I think you get the idea.
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So by your definition, a “Traditionalist” (sic) has the green light to dissent from the Church (“Rome”)? Egads!

I will say that I have often seen that in practice, however.
 
From today’s readings:

Clothe yourselves with humility
in your dealings with one another, for:

God opposes the proud
but bestows favor on the humble.
 
Spiller said:
Once in a very great while I find myself having to attend a “charismatic-like” Catholic Mass of sorts because it’s the final Mass on Sundays here locally.

When I attend I do not notice a single liturgical abuse or delict. While it’s not really my thing, those that attend seem to really be on fire for God and His Son. I also note a total lack of the judgment that so permeates other Masses here locally.

The music is just fine – although it’s not Gregorian Chant nor pipe organ music – now does it need to be. The people seem very friendly and yes most do hold hands, but the focus is clearly on the representation of the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ to His Father for our sins. Can’t get any more sublime than that.
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Once in a very great while I find myself attending a rare local Mass (last one for Sundays too). The music comes from a group that is comparable to a small symphony orchestra and it’s incredible. Happily I have in no way come to be “in need of” this but when I do attend it’s reverent, remarkable and yes, very unusual.
 
EasterJoy said:
We’re supposed to drink coffee and spend time on the forum at different times?!?

WHEN ARE WE SUPPOSED TO SLEEP?!? 😃
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Substitue chamomile tea now and then. Fewer jangled nerves, fewer keyboard spills, much BETTER sleep. (You might just drift off anytime … !)
 
Spiller said:
So by your definition, a “Traditionalist” (sic) has the green light to dissent from the Church (“Rome”)? Egads!

I will say that I have often seen that in practice, however.
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Again…this is pretty much true of any Christian who lets their particular appreciation of the truth convince them that they’ve cornered the entire market. It is not a necessary component of being a traditionalist, or even a Traditionalist.

“Yes, well, I’m sure we all love and revere our shepherds, but the degree to which the Church inexplicably drags its heels and clings to Her blindness on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…”

The Traditionalists (how could you not use a capital “T” when referring to yourself, with that kind of self-concept?) have hardly cornered the market on that!! 😛

(Oh, c’mon. You gotta laugh. There is a ridiculous self-inflation like that in most of us, don’t you think…even when it is mostly invisible to ourselves?)
 
tee_eff_em said:
Just call me “Catholic” thanks,
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You are of like mind with HH Pope Benedict XV.

From *Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum: *
  1. It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as “profane novelties of words,” out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: “This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved” (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim “Christian is my name and Catholic my surname,” only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself.
I apologize to the “traditionalists,” but the Holy See doesn’t seem to have the Latin copy available on their website.
 
latinmass said:
A Traditional Catholic would always choose the TLM over the N.O., and would not be involved in the “charismatic movement.” By definition, anything new over the last forty years is not part of the centuries of tradition. That is why the term Traditional Catholic came about, to identify those who keep the traditions of the 20 centuries of our church, not the novelties of the last forty years. It does not mean we are better, it is just what how we prefer to worship while keeping in line with Rome. We don’t have to go to the N.O. or participate in any of the novlties as of late to be in line with Rome. A Traditionalist is obedient to Rome, and worships in the traditions and practices that have lasted for over 1900 years. Does anyone disagree?
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Ya, but what about the tradition of liturgical dance? :bigyikes: :rotfl:
 
By definition, anything new over the last forty years is not part of the centuries of tradition.

Following your line of reasoning, a true traditionalist would worship according to one of the Eastern liturgies, any one of which is hundreds of years older than the Tridentine Mass.
 
bpbasilphx said:
By definition, anything new over the last forty years is not part of the centuries of tradition.

Following your line of reasoning, a true traditionalist would worship according to one of the Eastern liturgies, any one of which is hundreds of years older than the Tridentine Mass.
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Or insist on Hebrew or Aramaic or Koine Greek.
 
EasterJoy said:
Again…this is pretty much true of any Christian who lets their particular appreciation of the truth convince them that they’ve cornered the entire market. It is not a necessary component of being a traditionalist, or even a Traditionalist.

“Yes, well, I’m sure we all love and revere our shepherds, but the degree to which the Church inexplicably drags its heels and clings to Her blindness on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah…”

The Traditionalists (how could you not use a capital “T” when referring to yourself, with that kind of self-concept?) have hardly cornered the market on that!! 😛

(Oh, c’mon. You gotta laugh. There is a ridiculous self-inflation like that in most of us, don’t you think…even when it is mostly invisible to ourselves?)
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Well! In that case it logically follows that said Traditionalists must follow their “consciences” even when they are malformed enough to go against what the Church actually teaches/directs/allows. Further while they detest the same activity in “liberals” it must be somehow different for they are of course, Traditionalists!

I’m sure happy the Holy Father is an orthodox and traditionally-minded Catholic Christian and not a Traditionalist.

😉
 
latinmass said:
A Traditional Catholic would always choose the TLM over the N.O., and would not be involved in the “charismatic movement.” By definition, anything new over the last forty years is not part of the centuries of tradition. That is why the term Traditional Catholic came about, to identify those who keep the traditions of the 20 centuries of our church, not the novelties of the last forty years. It does not mean we are better, it is just what how we prefer to worship while keeping in line with Rome. We don’t have to go to the N.O. or participate in any of the novlties as of late to be in line with Rome. A Traditionalist is obedient to Rome, and worships in the traditions and practices that have lasted for over 1900 years. Does anyone disagree?
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I am a traditional Catholic- but I don’t demand that everyone be as traditional as I think they should be before I will have anything to do with them. Often, I’m just happy to see people my age in church. Of course, I want them to grow in holiness, and in their love for the Church, but we all have to start somewhere.
 
I_Believe said:
Now you are coming around ! That’s it. The Mass in Latin, so no matter where we are, we have a Liturgy in a common language !

😛
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But we cant all understand that one.
Prayers & Blessings
deacon Ed B
 
First, apart from the sharing of the “breaking of the bread”, holding the the “teachings of the Apostles”, sharing everything in common and prayer (Acts), following the teaching of the bishops (Ignatius of Antioch), and Baptism, Laying on of Hands, and a few other things recorded by the Biblical writers and the early fathers, what 1900 year old traditions are you aware of?

If we really wanted to be traditional, we would worship around a table in a home, speaking Aramaic and sharing a common meal after the Eucharist.

My point is that even the Tridentine Mass was a development out of the ancient liturgies, which developed with some differences in form in different communities. Everything held dear by the self proclaimed traditionalists was at one time an innovation. The use of Latin, to the Tridentine Rite, to the high alter, to the rosary, to the litany of saints, all are externals, and were new at some time beyond the time of the Apostles.

I do not say this to tear down or diminish these time honored practices, but instead to suggest that everything that appears to be new not automatically be dismissed out of hand because if past generations had had this idea we would not have any of the beautiful devotions that have present day “traditionalists” and N.O. going Catholics like myself find so beautiful and effeicacious.
 
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