So you want to be an abuse corrector : Part I

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So you want to be an abuse corrector, do you ?
I’ll offer a series of suggestions on how to do this
The first suggestion is: get ordained. If you are saying the Mass, you can prevent nearly all abuses. If the Mass is really that important, get in a position to do something about it.
Can’t become a priest ? Well get some other credential. Become a deacon or a liturgist or a musician. Good musicians are almost always part of “liturgy teams” and most abuses are in places where there are liturgical teams.
Credentials , except for ordination, might not get yoyu very far by themselve, but they help.
If it matters to you, work at it.
 
Well, I’m a deacon, a liturgist and a musician. I hold a doctorate in theology. I can’t prevent abuse even in my own parish. I can try, I can work at it – but the bottom line is each priest will say Mass the way he wants to. The goal is to show priests what they should and should not be doing. In my diocese we had a workship called “How Not to Say Mass” – we’ll see what good it does.

Deacon Ed
 
Eddy, you speak to another issue: whether " abuse corrector" is a worthwhile avocation.
It’s a thankless pursuit, and usually properly so because it doesn’t help much compared to better undertakings.
And it’s not rewarding because “abuse correctors” are generally not successful in achieving their goals. But some are convinced that this is what they want to be, and I am offering suggestions to increase their success rate from maybe 0.5 % to as high as 0.8% or even 1%.
Everyone wastes some time in folly and here is how I’m wasting minne , since advising abuse correctors is even less successful than correcting abuses.
 
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roemer:
And it’s not rewarding because “abuse correctors” are generally not successful in achieving their goals. But some are convinced that this is what they want to be, and I am offering suggestions to increase their success rate from maybe 0.5 % to as high as 0.8% or even 1%.
Everyone wastes some time in folly and here is how I’m wasting minne , since advising abuse correctors is even less successful than correcting abuses.
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🙂 Well said!
My contribution to correcting abuse is to pray unceasingly mail said abuses to the diocese with a copy to the Vatican. Then pray some more! It is said pray can move mountains so I am waiting patiently but yes become frustrated but agree that trying to correct some of the abuses in my parish my prayers will do far more than my words.
 
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roemer:
Eddy, you speak to another issue: whether " abuse corrector" is a worthwhile avocation.
It’s a thankless pursuit, and usually properly so because it doesn’t help much compared to better undertakings.
And it’s not rewarding because “abuse correctors” are generally not successful in achieving their goals. But some are convinced that this is what they want to be, and I am offering suggestions to increase their success rate from maybe 0.5 % to as high as 0.8% or even 1%.
Everyone wastes some time in folly and here is how I’m wasting minne , since advising abuse correctors is even less successful than correcting abuses.
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Eddy? Your lack of respect here is significant…no wonder you don’t try to correct anything…

Deacon Ed
 
I have a better suggestion than roemer. It is ultimately our bishop’s job to correct abuses. However, should he refuse, there is something we can do to try and get a bishop who will protect us from abuses.

Here’s a re-post of what happened in our diocese. We now have a bishop who is very lovingly changing our diocese.​

I have an answer to this one from Rome! Our bishop was of retirement age. Our diocese was very abuse ridden. We launched a final campaign to lobby for an orthodox replacement. We launched a website and some in our group gathered up all of the documentation and examples of abuses over the years (actually, a lot of it was recent since we were always being expose to it) and burned it onto a multi-media CD. It had video of clown masses, awful diocesan letters, letters to us from our Bishop, etc., etc., etc. They sent it off to many offices in Rome including the Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger’s office, Congragation of Bishops, etc., the Papal Nuncio. A few months later we were assigned a GREAT bishop. We wondered for a few months if anything we did helped and then Cardinal Ratzinger called a priest friend of ours to his office and asked him if he knew the people who were lobbying for an orthodox replacement. He vouched for us and Cardinal Ratzinger told him to tell us that the CD was the biggest thing to ever hit Rome and that everyone (presumably even the Pope) had seen it and it had been passed around. He also said we should spread this method to others. We had another independent confirmation of the success of the CD when one of us was vacationing in Rome. They ran into a friend who had a priest from the Congregation of Bishops with him. They were introduced as being from our diocese and the first words out of this priests mouth were “Are you the ones who put together that CD?” He said it was very helpful to see first hand what was happening in our diocese. If anyone else would like more info, please PM me.
 
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roemer:
So you want to be an abuse corrector, do you ?
I’ll offer a series of suggestions on how to do this
The first suggestion is: get ordained. If you are saying the Mass, you can prevent nearly all abuses. If the Mass is really that important, get in a position to do something about it.
Can’t become a priest ? Well get some other credential. Become a deacon or a liturgist or a musician. Good musicians are almost always part of “liturgy teams” and most abuses are in places where there are liturgical teams.
Credentials , except for ordination, might not get yoyu very far by themselve, but they help.
If it matters to you, work at it.
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I live in Buffalo Grove; I’m curious what parish you attend in Lake County? To be honest, I’ve actually thought of becoming a priest so that I could hopefully lead the faithful down the right path.
 
Eddy , thanks for the segue to part II,I could have not asked for a better one. Part II will be on making sure you choose your issues and don’t look like a fuss budget.
I don’t know if your 're a deacon or a dishwasher, but out of charity, I’ll assume your good natured and not a pretentious fuss budget type.
 
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roemer:
Eddy , thanks for the segue to part II,I could have not asked for a better one. Part II will be on making sure you choose your issues and don’t look like a fuss budget.
I don’t know if your 're a deacon or a dishwasher, but out of charity, I’ll assume your good natured and not a pretentious fuss budget type.
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OH WOW,

Can’t take a hint can you ?

If you have doubts about a poster you can always do a bit of checking .

For the Poster " Deacon Ed " - try looking at the thread above this - RS and Canon Law.

You could possibly learn something from this thread too.

Perhaps a little common courtesy might help your cause
 
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roemer:
Eddy , thanks for the segue to part II,I could have not asked for a better one. Part II will be on making sure you choose your issues and don’t look like a fuss budget.
I don’t know if your 're a deacon or a dishwasher, but out of charity, I’ll assume your good natured and not a pretentious fuss budget type.
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What is your point? You made a “sour grapes” post—(if I can’t do it, it can’t be done) and combined with your other pathetic posts totally demonstrates why you do not have the communication skills to get anything done.

This does not indicate that others with good communication skills couldn’t succeed in attempting to have abuses corrected.
 
Deacon Ed:
Well, I’m a deacon, a liturgist and a musician. I hold a doctorate in theology. I can’t prevent abuse even in my own parish. I can try, I can work at it – but the bottom line is each priest will say Mass the way he wants to. The goal is to show priests what they should and should not be doing. In my diocese we had a workship called “How Not to Say Mass” – we’ll see what good it does.

Deacon Ed
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Roemer

This was the very first answer to your original post - in it Fr Deacon states very clearly that he is a ** DEACON** and a LITURGIST and a MUSICIAN and has a DOCTORATEin theology.

He gave his qualifications quite openly - and you have the temerity to say
I don’t know if your 're a deacon or a dishwasher, but out of charity, I’ll assume your good natured and not a pretentious fuss budget type.
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I suggest that you learn to READ and UNDERSTAND the repsonses you get BEFORE you attempt to answer them.

By the way - what are your qualifications that make you an expert ?
 
Let’s pardon Roemer. At least he has drawn attention to an important issue for which I am grateful to bear06 for an enlightening contribution. We should not discard the rag. Even though virtually always dirty itself, it functions to make other dirty things clean.
 
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roemer:
Eddy , thanks for the segue to part II,I could have not asked for a better one. Part II will be on making sure you choose your issues and don’t look like a fuss budget.
I don’t know if your 're a deacon or a dishwasher, but out of charity, I’ll assume your good natured and not a pretentious fuss budget type.
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Roemer,

For the record I am an ordained deacon. I’ll be happy to send you the address of the chancery office so you can confirm it for yourself.

I do not use the name “Eddy” – and like most people, I prefer to be addressed in the fashion in which I sign my posts. And, I do have a good sense of humor but still don’t like being addressed in such a childish fashion.

I’ve listed my two diocese below: feel free to check up on me if you wish.

Deacon Ed Faulk
Diocese of Orange in California
Eparchy of Newton (Melkite-Greek Catholic)
 
Deacon Ed:
Roemer,

For the record I am an ordained deacon. I’ll be happy to send you the address of the chancery office so you can confirm it for yourself.

I do not use the name “Eddy” – and like most people, I prefer to be addressed in the fashion in which I sign my posts. And, I do have a good sense of humor but still don’t like being addressed in such a childish fashion.

I’ve listed my two diocese below: feel free to check up on me if you wish.

Deacon Ed Faulk
Diocese of Orange in California
Eparchy of Newton (Melkite-Greek Catholic)
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My thanks to you Deacon Ed Faulk…

These forums can be a most uncharitable place, and your patience expressed here does not go un-noticed… Thanks to you for your sacrifice and vocation, and I will keep you in my prayers…
 
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roemer:
Eddy, you speak to another issue…

Everyone wastes some time in folly and here is how I’m wasting minne , since advising abuse correctors is even less successful than correcting abuses.
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I am with the others on this - you are disrespectful and quite full of yourself. If your advice to those who seek to end abuse is that they must first enter the religious hierarchy or keep their mouths shut, then your advice is absurd and insulting.

United by our faith, we are ALL called to be priests. As such, we must all act upon our properly-formed conscience to point out doctrinal and other errors committed by the religious hierarchy.
 
Barry, the claim that we are all priests is the favorite one of most liturgical abusers.
 
Romie

“Don’t make negative criticism. If you can’t praise, say nothing.”

“Never speak badly of your brother even if you have plenty of reasons for doing so. Go first to the tabernacle, and then go to the priest, your father, and also tell him what is bothering you. And to no one else.”
St. Josemaria Escriva
 
I think we can all agree that we do not have the power to stop abuses (unless we are somehow in the Church heirarchy!)however, we do have the power to influence the correction of abuses.

Roemer, where in the world does it say that we should not do this? Even in the most recent Church documents we are given the recourse to do take this action. Yes, we should start out with the abuser and then, if this doesn’t work, we should “go over his head” even to the Vatican if necessary.

I was not in charge of the CD project in my diocese. I’m thankful to those who were creative in this area. I only repeatedly post this effort because Cardinal Ratzinger told us to spread this strategy far and wide!
 
Attend and/or get a Traditional Tridentine Latin Mass at your parish.
possible suggestions:
1.Put up 10 theses on the church door.
example
I. I shall leave this parish, If the Most Holy Trinity is refered to as a woman.read the }}}}…}}}} below
II. If the use of “Eucharistic ministers” is continued and not banned immmediately,}}}}I shall leave this parish forever until it changes}}}}

Then get a group of people behind you, that support you and with one voice tell the priest this
 
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