Social Consequence of Gay Marriage

[Cinette]

What do you think they will be?

Let’s imagine the Constitution is amended to allow for gay marriage. What will be the cultural and political consequences, and why do you think that these things would happen?

*I have just seen your thread and not had time to read all the responses. I just want to say that it is a terrible thing to deny children the right to a Mother and a Father. One of these days there will be a generation who will be asking lots of questions: Who is my Mother? Who gave birth to me? Why do I have two Fathers? Why can’t I KNOW my Mother? Etc etc etc.

It is a great shame

Cinette*

 

[aragonjohn1]

What I’m getting at is there’s no destruction of heterosexual marriage from same-sex marriage. Your marriages are not affected.

So, how would gay marriage harm anyone?* First, let’s define harm.* Harm is damage to a person physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, financially, morally, etc.* The definition is obviously broad and subjective, and this is problematic.* People experience harm in different ways.* *

Here is a list of ways in which gay marriage can bring harm.

It can bring huge financial and emotional stress.
Homosexuals can sue people who are exercising their religious beliefs. For example, a heterosexual married couple with children who do not want to rent a room in their their own family household to homosexuals could be sued for discrimination based on “sexual orientation.” This can incur significant financial and emotional stress upon the family, not to mention the “prior restraint” effect of the fear of being sued which results in a family not renting out a room.
The health risks are enormous to themselves and others.
The fact is that homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals due to the health risks associated with the lifestyle, and billions of dollars are spent annually in health care for them. See Statistics on HIV/AIDS and health related issues
But the HIV/AIDS epidemic is not only in the homosexual community. It has crossed over to the heterosexual community.*
Whether or not you want to say that HIV/AIDS is a homosexual disease, the fact is that it is highly prevalent among the gay and lesbian community due to their great number of sex partners. The collateral damage to the rest of society, as far as health risks, cannot be denied.
Gay Marriage means having the morals of the minority forced upon the majority.
This can also be said in the reverse. Either way, there is a problem. Normally, morals should not be forced on anyone, though there are exceptions. We force morals on others by preventing them from stealing, raping, murdering, etc. So, it is not automatically wrong to force morals on someone. But the issue then becomes what is morally right and wrong in the first place, and altering morals in a society definitely causes stress.
The percentage of homosexuals in society is less than 5%, yet it is being forced upon the other 95% of society in movies, TV, literature, and political periods. See Statistics on the percentage of the population that are homosexual and lesbian.
Gay Marriage means a redefinition of sexual morality, and with it other sexually related practices will be affected and this can be harmful.
See the article*Collateral damage effect as a result the change in sexual morals for a discussion on the increase in pedophilia, pornography, child pornography, prostitution, and sex trafficking that are occurring in the world. These increases are not due to an increase in conservative sexual morals, but an reduction of conservative sexual morals.
Gay Marriage reduces the number of children born in society and we need a stable population base to operate properly. Therefore, society can be harmed.
Gay Marriage effects people spiritually.
Don’t assume that people’s spiritual beliefs are irrelevant. People consider spiritual issues to be extremely important, and the stress imposed on religious people by forcing them to “accept” and/or support homosexual practice and/or intimidate them into silence harms a person’s spiritual and emotional health.
It forces government to get involved in changing laws which automatically affect everyone in society.
Homosexuality is being force fed to our youth via the education system.
Civil unions are being recognized by employers which effect co-workers, money payouts, work time, etc.
It exposes adopted children within potential homosexual unions to ridicule from others.

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Shalom

 

[rossum]

*I have just seen your thread and not had time to read all the responses. I just want to say that it is a terrible thing to deny children the right to a Mother and a Father. One of these days there will be a generation who will be asking lots of questions: Who is my Mother? Who gave birth to me? Why do I have two Fathers? Why can’t I KNOW my Mother? Etc etc etc.

It is a great shame

Cinette*

Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What They Got

rossum

 

[sedonaman]

It appears that the “advocates” of “social change” are doing just that…demonstrating the social benefit by including gay people as members of society worthy of entering into the social construct of civil marriage since it is slowly becoming a reality.

That’s not proof. Slavery became a reality over time, but that didn’t prove that slavery was a social benefit.

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“Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. None of them have ever been held accountable.

 

[Publisher]

That’s not proof. Slavery became a reality over time, but that didn’t prove that slavery was a social benefit.

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“Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. None of them have ever been held accountable.

I was responding to your statement…“The burden of proof is on the advocate of social change, not its opponents. You have to demonstrate what social good justifies changing the definition of marriage.”

I stated…“It appears that the “advocates” of “social change” are doing just that…demonstrating the social benefit by including gay people as members of society worthy of entering into the social construct of civil marriage since it is slowly becoming a reality.”

Those who advocate the change ARE accepting that same sex marriage does indeed offer benefit to society…that their arguements for same sex marriage is not accepted by you and those on 'your side" of the fence…does not mean that the advocates of social change have not offered enough reasons…“proof”…to sway society…in fact…they have swayed society by the “proof” they have offered…it is becoming a reality slowly…but surely…that the more “conservative” members of society do not accept their reasons does not remove the fact THEY ARE BEING PERSUASIVE for the general public…since same sex marriage/civil unions ARE occuring…the “burden of proof” the advocates put forth is being accepted by society as change IS occuring.

 

[fix]

Are there any publish, peer-reviewed studies that back this up?

Do you have any peer reviewed research proving what moral good is?

 

[edwest2]

That’s not proof. Slavery became a reality over time, but that didn’t prove that slavery was a social benefit.

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“Previous generations of social experimenters have caused unimaginable misery for millions of people. None of them have ever been held accountable.

Why would any society keep slaves? Give them food and water, and no weekly paycheck. It was wrong, but it meant less money paid out to do whatever the slaves were doing.

Peace,
Ed

 

[wynnejj]

Please enlighten me! Which one of you has had their marriage destroyed by the gays!

Are you forgetting the switch hitters - the man and wife with child where the man or woman has a mid-life crisis and changes their orientation? SSM puts a wrinkle on custody battles.

 

[CopticChristian]

No seriously I want to hear from every married Catholic on this forum specifically with evidence how gays (including yours truly!) have destroyed your marriage. I’m listening!

Mitex,

I seriously want to know what it is you want to know.

 

[CopticChristian]

What I’m getting at is there’s no destruction of heterosexual marriage from same-sex marriage. Your marriages are not affected.

Mitex,

I believe I understand your thinking. I live in a home. My home is secure. If my home is secure then what happens outside my home does not affect the security of my home. I believe that is where you are coming from.

However we live in neighborhoods. Those neighborhoods exist in cities, states and a country.

My understanding and teaching of marriage is at odds with the notion of what others want me to accept and my family to accept and in that way it does affect my marriage.

 

[Publisher]

Are you forgetting the switch hitters - the man and wife with child where the man or woman has a mid-life crisis and changes their orientation? SSM puts a wrinkle on custody battles.

“gay” sexual orientation is NOT 'bisexual" orientation. From what I have read and learned form those bisexuls I know…not many by the way as most bisexuals stay “in the closet”, bi-sexuals donot ‘jump the fence’ from one partner to another. They may have same sex partners for a time…then “switch” back ot opposite sex partners. That a bisexual may have a same sex partner tonight and an opposite sex partner tomorrow is “straight” myth…oh…I’m sure it does occur with more hedonist individuals…but for the communitiy at large…not as much as straight people think and speak about.

In the case of some marriage arrangements, a bisexual man my be faithful to his wife the entire length of their marriage. Upon that marriage ending, they may then become involved in a same sex relationship…that doesn’t mean they “changed” their sexual orientation, they have the same sexual orientation…bisexual.

I have a good friend who is bisexual. He has been with his wife for 18 years…have two children…he before meeting his wife was involved with a man for almost a decade…that didn’t make him gay…his wife knows he is bisexual and trusts him to keep faithful. She also recognizes the fact IF she shoud die or their marriage end, he may decide to find a same sex partner and be quite content.

 

[CopticChristian]

Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What They Got

rossum

Ro,

It proves that humanity regardless of family can provide evidence of an intelligent human being, that can be educated, that can work and that will stand up for the family they were raised in. This is what children do. So, what I see is using children to further the cause of this warped view of family.

Skin heads have children, Nazi’s have children, Hate mongers have children, KKK have children…so do we listen to the children raised in this environment too?

 

[stewstew03]

Ro,

It proves that humanity regardless of family can provide evidence of an intelligent human being, that can be educated, that can work and that will stand up for the family they were raised in. This is what children do. So, what I see is using children to further the cause of this warped view of family.

Skin heads have children, Nazi’s have children, Hate mongers have children, KKK have children…so do we listen to the children raised in this environment too?

Otherwise known as “indoctrination.” Once the state is allowed to define marriage as between two consenting adults (regardless of sex/gender) then it becomes perfectly acceptable to “normalize” it in our public school system.

 

[Publisher]

Ro,

It proves that humanity regardless of family can provide evidence of an intelligent human being, that can be educated, that can work and that will stand up for the family they were raised in. This is what children do. So, what I see is using children to further the cause of this warped view of family.

Skin heads have children, Nazi’s have children, Hate mongers have children, KKK have children…so do we listen to the children raised in this environment too?

Which brings us to the issue of living in a pluralistic diverse society. As long as those children of Nazi’s, hate mongers, KKK are not complaining AND are being taken care of with no abuse occuring…I see not too much furor among the more “conservatives” to remove these children…or prevent the members of these sub-groups from having or adopting children. Ideology may be damanging more so in our society…but no one seems to be advocating the removal of these children. We may not like how they are being rasied or like the ideology they are being taught BUT as long as they are well cared for and provided for we leave them alone…and all the examples you provided are very “anti-gay” in belief and policy and for the most part…unless “in the closet” straight in sexual orientation.

 

[Biblepoe]

Do you have any peer reviewed research proving what moral good is?

“Moral good” is a label we put on actions congruent with our commonly accepted values. If you want to demonstrate that same-sex adoption isn’t good, you need to have convincing evidence that children who are adopted by same-sex couples are worse off overall than those adopted by straight couples. Such evidence may be something like a study that shows that children adopted by gay couples are less happy than those adopted by straight couples (merely declaring that having parents of each gender is the best isn’t evidence, you actually need data from the real world).

We do have studies that demonstrate that children adopted by same-sex couples are just as well off in every category tested as those adopted by their straight counterparts (besides the homophobia they have to face from other people).

 

[sedonaman]

…THEY ARE BEING PERSUASIVE for the general public…

So persuasive that 31states have outlawed them by a vote of that same public, and not by small margins.

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What started as a demand for basic civil rights has mutated into a liberal demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards and laws, its history and heroes.

 

[Biblepoe]

*I have just seen your thread and not had time to read all the responses. I just want to say that it is a terrible thing to deny children the right to a Mother and a Father. One of these days there will be a generation who will be asking lots of questions: Who is my Mother? Who gave birth to me? Why do I have two Fathers? Why can’t I KNOW my Mother? Etc etc etc.

It is a great shame

Cinette*

I take it that you think that single adoption is a “terrible thing” as well because it too denies the child of a mother or father.

 

[Publisher]

So persuasive that 31states have outlawed them by a vote of that same public, and not by small margins.

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What started as a demand for basic civil rights has mutated into a liberal demand to overturn the whole society, along with its traditions and norms, its standards and laws, its history and heroes.

I thought I wrote “general public”…polls show the shifting consensus against gay marriage is moving to the positive. Eventually thes laws passed ammending the constitution of the 31 respective states will be challenged once same sex marriage reaches the federal level.

The “rightness” of the law on the books outlawing same sex marriage is not indicitive of whether it’s right or wrong…but the growing consensus will challenge those laws eventually and they will be repealed.

It could be argued since these ammendments were made at a time of conservatism…once same sex marriage is more accepted by the general public…motions will be made to ammend the ban…that is the direction we seem to be headed.

 

[stewstew03]

I thought I wrote “general public”…polls show the shifting consensus against gay marriage is moving to the positive. Eventually thes laws passed ammending the constitution of the 31 respective states will be challenged once same sex marriage reaches the federal level.

The “rightness” of the law on the books outlawing same sex marriage is not indicitive of whether it’s right or wrong…but the growing consensus will challenge those laws eventually and they will be repealed.

It could be argued since these ammendments were made at a time of conservatism…once same sex marriage is more accepted by the general public…motions will be made to ammend the ban…that is the direction we seem to be headed.

Completely agree - which is why it’s worth fighting against right now. I hope/pray that “gay marriage” never becomes normal.

 

[SwizzleStick]

…I hope/pray that “gay marriage” never becomes normal.

It is an impossibility for homosexual “marriage” to become normal. It will always be abnormal even if it does become the law of the land.