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Fitswimmer
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“T word”???
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pathia
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I will fully admit my case is much more unique than a simple same-sex relationship, because in person my partner and I appear opposite-sex. However, we cannot legally do it, so we’re in limbo. I suspect the paperwork is much easier for easily identified same-sex couples.In my professional opinion A is the answer.
So there is no reason to think we would not be able to be married, so as far as they know some strange man or woman is claiming to be the legal partner. This is why my situation is such a boondoggle. On one level I am upset that we have this issue, but on another, I’m glad that just anyone can’t come in and claim to be my significant other and make medical decisions for me, that would be pretty terrifying.
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fix
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I guess we should poll folks and then decide what truth is?I guess every Catholic agrees with EVERYTHING that the church states.
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Carjack1
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I didn’t say poll everybody to see what the truth is. I am sure that there are Catholics that don’t agree with EVERYTHING the church states. I was saying that Penny was brave to state her opinion, knowing that other people were going to attack how she practices her faith. For the record, i do not agree with gay marriage. People want to be so quick to condemn others.
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ComputerGeek25
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(Standard disclaimers apply to this post - not trying to pick on you, specifically pathia)I will fully admit my case is much more unique than a simple same-sex relationship, because in person my partner and I appear opposite-sex. However, we cannot legally do it, so we’re in limbo. I suspect the paperwork is much easier for easily identified same-sex couples.
So there is no reason to think we would not be able to be married, so as far as they know some strange man or woman is claiming to be the legal partner. This is why my situation is such a boondoggle. On one level I am upset that we have this issue, but on another, I’m glad that just anyone can’t come in and claim to be my significant other and make medical decisions for me, that would be pretty terrifying.
It definitely sounds like your case is the exception rather than the norm. However, how does gay marriage for all solve this problem? To me, gay marriage is just a rash decision and a catch all for not fixing the current system (if it needs fixing).
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ComputerGeek25
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Again, what would be the motive for not prescribing BC? Is it for a valid medical reason? Or is it so you can sleep around without (or with sigificantly reduced) consquences? A doctor may feel obligated to at least mention that BC isn’t 100% effective at preventing pregancy or STD transmission, hence be apprehensive at prescribing it.As far as the only guy in town thing, I suppose it’s possible. What happens in cases where the only MD in town won’t dispense BC?
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So? What is the point?I didn’t say poll everybody to see what the truth is. I am sure that there are Catholics that don’t agree with EVERYTHING the church states.
Attack?I was saying that Penny was brave to state her opinion, knowing that other people were going to attack how she practices her faith.
Condemn?For the record, i do not agree with gay marriage. People want to be so quick to condemn others.
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Carjack1
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To not judge others with a different opinion.So? What is the point?
Attack? Attack is a word meaning to strike out at an opponent,
Condemn?
Definitions of condemn on the Web:
express strong disapproval of; “We condemn the racism in South Africa”; “These ideas were reprobated”
declare or judge unfit; “The building was condemned by the inspector”
compel or force into a particular state or activity; “His devotion to his sick wife condemned him to a lonely existence”
demonstrate the guilt of (someone); “Her strange behavior condemned her”
sentence: pronounce a sentence on (somebody) in a court of law; "He was condemned to ten years in prison
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Are you not judging?To not judge others with a different opinion.
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Carjack1
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I am not judging. I was called a troll and responded accordingly.Are you not judging?
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pathia
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It fixes the problem because when you are married, in every state I’m aware of you can actually get a wallet sized copy of your marriage certificate, also you can change your last names to be the same. Right now, I could change my name to aaaaanything in the world, but if I try to change my last name to the same as my partner, it is disallowed. I could change it to anything else, except that, because that would be, again, ‘anything resembling marriage’ and thus is blocked by my local judge.(Standard disclaimers apply to this post - not trying to pick on you, specifically pathia)
It definitely sounds like your case is the exception rather than the norm. However, how does gay marriage for all solve this problem? To me, gay marriage is just a rash decision and a catch all for not fixing the current system (if it needs fixing).
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ComputerGeek25
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But why does everything have to relvove around marriage though?It fixes the problem because when you are married, in every state I’m aware of you can actually get a wallet sized copy of your marriage certificate, also you can change your last names to be the same. Right now, I could change my name to aaaaanything in the world, but if I try to change my last name to the same as my partner, it is disallowed. I could change it to anything else, except that, because that would be, again, ‘anything resembling marriage’ and thus is blocked by my local judge.
I bet if you did enough looking, you’d find instances where say, someone had no family or were far away from their family, and gave their legal rights to a close, trusted friend instead.
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Fitswimmer
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That’s a really good question. Why is marriage entangled in so many issues where it really doesn’t need to be? If all those entanglements were removed, the issue is over.But why does everything have to relvove around marriage though?
I bet if you did enough looking, you’d find instances where say, someone had no family or were far away from their family, and gave their legal rights to a close, trusted friend instead.
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ComputerGeek25
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I think we do need some basic ground rules for what’s considered a valid marriage according to the state, which we have already.That’s a really good question. Why is marriage entangled in so many issues where it really doesn’t need to be? If all those entanglements were removed, the issue is over.
Many heterosexual couples who marry, write wills, pre-nuptial agrements (some are considered invalid by the church though, but that’s another thread) and what not. These are at cost to the couple, but fill in any legally questionable holes in the laws that exsist.
Anyone who feels that they need to protect property/rights above and beyond what current laws state should seek the aide of an attorney. Keep in mind not everyone left over is gay.
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Fitswimmer
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Then everyone who has to pay legal fees to get the same treatment that married people get without having to pay legal fees is not being treated fairly. It’s wrong no matter who is being discriminated against, gay or straight.I think we do need some basic ground rules for what’s considered a valid marriage according to the state, which we have already.
Many heterosexual couples who marry, write wills, pre-nuptial agrements (some are considered invalid by the church though, but that’s another thread) and what not. These are at cost to the couple, but fill in any legally questionable holes in the laws that exsist.
Anyone who feels that they need to protect property/rights above and beyond what current laws state should seek the aide of an attorney. Keep in mind not everyone left over is gay.
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pathia
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It doesn’t, I would be perfectly fine with some form of recognized legal partnership that mimicked most of the rights. It could then be used in instances between siblings, or even close roommate etc.But why does everything have to relvove around marriage though?
I bet if you did enough looking, you’d find instances where say, someone had no family or were far away from their family, and gave their legal rights to a close, trusted friend instead.
Right now to mimic marriage as closely as we can, I think we’ve spent nearly 10,000 in legal fees to lawyers, paperwork, corporation founding, and it still doesn’t always work right.
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ComputerGeek25
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Everyone does pay the same legal fees. IANAL, but I think wills, pre-nups, power of attorneys are all standard documents. The only things changed are usually dates, names, and a list of important property.Then everyone who has to pay legal fees to get the same treatment that married people get without having to pay legal fees is not being treated fairly. It’s wrong no matter who is being discriminated against, gay or straight.
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ComputerGeek25
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Then the legal system to allow property transfer has to be fixed. Gay marraige still doesn’t address this for all cases.It doesn’t, I would be perfectly fine with some form of recognized legal partnership that mimicked most of the rights. It could then be used in instances between siblings, or even close roommate etc.
Right now to mimic marriage as closely as we can, I think we’ve spent nearly 10,000 in legal fees to lawyers, paperwork, corporation founding, and it still doesn’t always work right.
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Fitswimmer
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well, that’s not what Pathia is saying. I have no experience with trying to live in a partnership, so I really can’t speak to it. I can only rely on the experience and witness of others that the rights of some American citizens are not the same as those of other American citizens. I’ve seen some very sad things happen, I’ve heard of some very sad things happening and I’ve heard about some just plain frustrating and expensive things happening-just because they can’t call their partnership the same thing that everyone else in America calls their partnerships.Everyone does pay the same legal fees. IANAL, but I think wills, pre-nups, power of attorneys are all standard documents. The only things changed are usually dates, names, and a list of important property.
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estesbob
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I can tell you as a professional who deals with these issues all the time that it is NOT a major problem and the steps that a homosexual takes to protect their “partner” should be taken by married couples as well.well, that’s not what Pathia is saying. I have no experience with trying to live in a partnership, so I really can’t speak to it. I can only rely on the experience and witness of others that the rights of some American citizens are not the same as those of other American citizens. I’ve seen some very sad things happen, I’ve heard of some very sad things happening and I’ve heard about some just plain frustrating and expensive things happening-just because they can’t call their partnership the same thing that everyone else in America calls their partnerships.
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