You didn’t say anything about law, genius. You said that they were “an anathema to what our nation stands for.” Since the Declaration of Independence is the founding document, that was a pretty silly statement on your part. And, please explain a “creator” that isn’t a god.
never said the commandments superseded U.S. law. Hello strawman. The point was that government should not endorse a particular religion. The fact that the “commandments” are mostly nullified by our system of law further illustrates their unfitness as courtroom decoration.Nonsense…you think the “commandments” supersede US law because they are displayed in a courtroom? You are making silly points.
Nope…doesn’t matter much. Explain to me why it would matter to an atheist to have “god” on their money? I used to be an atheist, and I can’t for the life of me figure out why someone would be offended by something they don’t believe exists being posted on their money. Regarding the pledge, they don’t have to recite it verbatim…I didn’t say “under God” when I was an atheist. No one ever said “boo” to me about it.
Agnostics shouldn’t care at all…they don’t know if there is a god or not, so why would they be offended of something they aren’t sure of?
Polytheists can pick a god to think of when they look at their money and add an ‘s’ when they say the pledge. Problem solved.
It is a DUMB argument. The 10 Commandments is one of the early forms of law and the fundamental foundation of the majority of American’s religion. There is nothing unfit about them being a courtroom decoration.
No. “My” principle is that we live in a democratic republic, and the majority of the people support these things. As they don’t go against the Constitution and they don’t harm anyone, they should stay. If/when enough people are in favor of removing “under God” and “In God We Trust,” they will be removed.
That is correct. I still don’t care. I don’t care about your particular “principle at work.” I care about our money and pledge reflecting Americans…that reflection is based on the will of the majority.
Nope. It certainly did not work in my case. In fact, if you believe it is an effective indoctrination tool, then why do people say faith is waining in our country? A child’s beliefs are more influenced by their parents.
Lots of literature, letters, documents, and debates make up the pedigree of what became the U.S. constitution. And yes, there is religious sentiment reflected in this pedigree. And yes, there was collectivist sentiment also represented. But I still stick to my opinion that most of this drivel was filtered out before the Constitution was cooked.
Well, the Supreme Court doesn’t agree with you. The Declaration of Independence is considered by the courts. But, you can stick to your “opinion” if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t matter to the rest of the country though.
If enough Americans believed it, lobbied Congress and had it changed, sure…that’s fine. It would be pretty silly, though…kind of like “under Oprah.” Your arguments are just golden.
True. But, since the “creator” endowed us with our unalienable rights, I guess the atheists don’t believe they have any rights.
Hilarious. You say the 10 commandments are the basis of the MAJORITY of American religions and that this somehow makes it fit for courtrooms. Awesome. In your mind it doesn’t matter that courts are required by law to disregard most of the ten. Answer this: What if another religion became the majority? Don’t you want the law to be independent of majority religious sentiment? It is just there to protect life and property.
Do you understand what “decoration” is? If the country becomes majority Buddhist, I’m sure they will change the decoration in the courtrooms.
That is communist? You need to go back to school, dude.
How about some education for you: Law, philosophy, precedent, and opinions from all over the world are “considered by the courts”Well, the Supreme Court doesn’t agree with you. The Declaration of Independence is considered by the courts. But, you can stick to your “opinion” if it makes you feel better. It doesn’t matter to the rest of the country though.
If enough Americans believed it, lobbied Congress and had it changed, sure…that’s fine. It would be pretty silly, though…kind of like “under Oprah.” Your arguments are just golden.
True. But, since the “creator” endowed us with our unalienable rights, I guess the atheists don’t believe they have any rights.
In a democratic republic, we don’t require a 100% agreement by the citizenry…just a consensus of the majority as represented by our elected officials.
You glossed over my point. What if the “decoration” represents sentiments that are in opposition to the purported ideals of the institution?Do you understand what “decoration” is? If the country becomes majority Buddhist, I’m sure they will change the decoration in the courtrooms.
That is communist? You need to go back to school, dude.
What few people realize is that we print “In God We Trust” on the “god we trust” in.
That’s what you say. But here’s what the Constitution says:
What you advocate is no public displays of religious faith – or, in other words, “prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
Why don’t you ask a law professor about the importance of the Declaration of Independence and then get back to us. If you actually listen to him, you may learn something.
Dude,
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Truth is sometimes boring, innit?:yawn:
That is rather cliche…I know you can do better.
Besides, I don’t think too many Catholics would argue with you that we have an overly consumeristic society. The fact that “In God We Trust” is printed on our money has no bearing whatsoever on that. If you removed it, we would still be a consumeristic society.
What “truth” would that be?
That America’s god is Mammon. I thought that was obvious.
That is a philosophical argument…not Truth. The “God” in the motto “In God We Trust” does not refer to Mammon. Therefore, what you posted was a cliched opinion, not truth…thus my boredom.
Out of curiousity, how many philosophy and law classes (specifically constitutional law) classes have you taken?