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vern_humphrey
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In what country are teachers required to have advanced degrees in both Education and some other discipline?
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cynic
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He does a degree in Physics, then goes to teachers college etc.
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vern_humphrey
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Nice dodge!
Now answer the question: In what country are teachers required to have advanced degrees in both Education and some other discipline?
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BamaRider
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Vern are you thinking like a Prostestant again?
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vern_humphrey
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Don’t start with me. You know what a certain person from California told me about your family tree.
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Ridgerunner
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What’s this? Someone exposed Bama’s family tree??? Hmmmm, let’s see “a certain person from California”… Wildly guessing at who that person is, I’m thinking it probably had something to do with all Southerners hanging from their family trees by their toes and not having sufficient brain cells to vote the abortion ticket.Don’t start with me. You know what a certain person from California told me about your family tree.
But that’s just a guess.
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Ridgerunner
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My brother has a master’s degree in engineering. After working in that field for 30 years, he took early retirement in order to kick back a bit, and decided that it would be neat to teach math in high school. (I wouldn’t do it for all the tea in China, but that’s him.) Anyway, he couldn’t do it without going back and getting a bachelor’s degree in education, notwithstanding that he had also, in his career, taught engineering at Rice University. He dutifully went back to school and got that education degree, and reported that it was the dumbest bunch of nonsense he had ever seen. I expect an engineer would see it that way. They have a bias in favor of utility.
I have often thought there is likely a pool of the very best minds imaginable out there in the semi-retired or “change of career” ranks that would be excellent teachers of subjects in which they are not only well educated, but which they have applied, in various ways, for years and years. But no, the teachers’ unions wouldn’t want that. Those people haven’t paid union dues for, lo, these many years. What right do they have to teach without at least going through the penitential rite of studying “education”?
I have often thought there is likely a pool of the very best minds imaginable out there in the semi-retired or “change of career” ranks that would be excellent teachers of subjects in which they are not only well educated, but which they have applied, in various ways, for years and years. But no, the teachers’ unions wouldn’t want that. Those people haven’t paid union dues for, lo, these many years. What right do they have to teach without at least going through the penitential rite of studying “education”?
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BamaRider
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The RidgeRunner said this about what’s goin on-
Teaching is like any profession, good ones, mediocre (don’t ya hate that word, ain’t nothing worse than mediocre, I guess cause we get it so much, and have to put it with it.) and bad ones. The difference is that in the business world, the bad are phased out, but in teaching, doing something to a tenured teacher takes a act of Congress.
I’m thinking most inept teachers are just shuffled around, but Vern can probably shed more light in that area.
Yanno that’s a good point. They make a guy with a good education, and years of real world experience in the business world or military, jump through all kinds of hoops to “qualify” to get in a classroom. But that’s the system.
Teaching is like any profession, good ones, mediocre (don’t ya hate that word, ain’t nothing worse than mediocre, I guess cause we get it so much, and have to put it with it.) and bad ones. The difference is that in the business world, the bad are phased out, but in teaching, doing something to a tenured teacher takes a act of Congress.
I’m thinking most inept teachers are just shuffled around, but Vern can probably shed more light in that area.
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LCMS_No_More
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No…think “you might be a redneck…” joke.
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BamaRider
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I thought LCMS was from Missouri? The *southern *part at that. Or is that someone else?
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LCMS_No_More
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No, I am from the greatest state of California, born and bred. LCMS means Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod. I used to be a member of the LCMS, which is a nationwide Lutheran denomination; thus LCMS_No_More.
I am from Southern California (sunny beaches!
) but we residents of SoCal have about as much in common with the South (east) as Disney does with Universal…same country, different culture.
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vern_humphrey
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You’re not far off – but it was a lot nastier than that.
Apparently, some people who are smarter than all the rest of us put together are not smart enough to realize that when you post something like that on the internet, it never dies.
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ALFREDENEUMAN
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as far as degrees are concered the educastional system in the united staates is in the middle of a vast cange. we progressed from B/a to m/A sometine uin the 60s until now. not finished yet, but i can guarantee you that as son as school boards, and local , state and national governments start paying teachers qwith doctorates comparable salaries with privave tindustry. the re will be a flood of doctorate. examin you economis idea. i wriote you an Email a couple of days ago outilining condiitions that existed and still exist in at least one school district, this one happened to be ibn St paul, and a short biography of three students. none of there will benefit from a doctorate, a masters, o an 8 th grad education. a degree in education is necessay to handle these. tell me, iof you had a doctorate in anf field would you work in a school distict which required you to sign out at then office for every sheet of paper you sue, every pencil, every pen, . if you ruin a sheet ofm paper copying it you must enter that. and part of tyour evaluationn isbasesd on how well youve done saving money using fewer school supplies. ???
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ALFREDENEUMAN
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you are talking about doctorates. great idea. but have you got someone to sweep the school out after hours, or are you lkeaving that to those who have doctorate in floor sweeping.
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vern_humphrey
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More gibberish.
The fact is, we have a lousy education system in this country. About 30% of kids who enter school don’t graduate. In the 50 largest cities, a recent study found a high school dropout rate of around 50%. And that doesn’t take into account those who do get diplomas, but can’t really read, write, or do basic math.
The system has failed. And it’s not for lack of money – There are no valid, peer-reviewed studies showing a correlation between quality of education and dollars spent.
Despite that, in Arkansas, we pay about $9,000 per student (not counting grants, and other sources of money.) In Washington, DC – with some of the worst schools in the nation – they pay almost three times that.
The fact is, we have a lousy education system in this country. About 30% of kids who enter school don’t graduate. In the 50 largest cities, a recent study found a high school dropout rate of around 50%. And that doesn’t take into account those who do get diplomas, but can’t really read, write, or do basic math.
The system has failed. And it’s not for lack of money – There are no valid, peer-reviewed studies showing a correlation between quality of education and dollars spent.
Despite that, in Arkansas, we pay about $9,000 per student (not counting grants, and other sources of money.) In Washington, DC – with some of the worst schools in the nation – they pay almost three times that.
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ALFREDENEUMAN
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you havent answered the question. you immediately gop back to our lousey educational system as if this wer them imspired word of God. truth is we hve for 70 percent of our chiolde=ren a great eductinal system. if u-you wish ill elaborate but to get back to the question. what about the condition i outlined in my email… of we havent figured out how to get and pay for enough janitord to clean th schools what are we even talking about affording doctorates. i guarantee you pay them what a doctor earns and they will have doctorate. teached, economically, qatre subject to the same lwas as any other person. please ask Dr Tellerif he wourl consider wouking in a university teaching advance physices if he had to perform janitorial services every once in awhil. you want him for a teacher, or anybody else doctorate or no pay them what they are worth, or even better pay then for what youm want them to be worth and then insist that they live up it that standars. th above wipes oout part of your ideas about the schools having enough, or even too much mioney. thats the rough equivilent of insisting that the world isd growing enough foodand we should stop expanding agriculture when 1000s are dying of starvation.
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BamaRider
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Having spent a fair amount of time in San Diego, I can vouch for that.
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BamaRider
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Shoot Vern, the Jefferson County School system in (Birningham) Alabama lost 3 million dollars, just lost it. They had no asnwer for the audtiors (mandatory state review) when confronted. And the sad thing is they re elected everyone of the them including the superintendent! I:shrug:
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ALFREDENEUMAN
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a little more maybe. those who keep looking for peeer evaluated information, have an agenda all their owmn. they keep comparing stats as they existed 100 or 80 years ago with stata as tthey m3xisted 30 or10 years ago. you are dealinf wiht two variables which they are equatring, and which are not equatable. the poopulationo f many years ago and the population as it exists today. if you rake the top 70 percent of the population as it existed 70 years ago (which you seem to feel is such anadmirablwe group) then you can onle legitimately cpompare it to the top 70 per cent that exist tosy. the othe 30 per cen become a confounduing variable that we plain and simple have not learned how to handle yet. we just dont know how to take that large a group iof kids, throw them into th sysyem all at one time. with no adequate prepatration, no parental guidance , as much as ezexists in the white population) right down the line. they have no incentive because we forgot to give that to them 3 or 4 times in our history. when the canme,here, when we showed them how litle their social structure meatn to us when they were slave, and most improtant the 100 years that nobody talks about. the 100 years from 1865 to 1965, more later
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BamaRider
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California home of the most liberal social medicine programs in the USA (can you say Medical) *, 20 billion *dollars in the red. Estimated dollars in fraud each year 10-20 billion dollars.
Those stats furnished by O’Reilly on tonights interview with a candidate.
Now the same people that are running California are the same ones that rail about defecit fed spending, incured mostly because we are fighting a war.
State of NY, home of Hillary care etc,* 5 billion *dollars in red, despite the most heavily taxed state in the Union.
These states are bascially bankrupt.
Now what do you reckon happens if you put the* entire *country under such leadership?
And some of y’all wanna sign up for this stuff?
Those stats furnished by O’Reilly on tonights interview with a candidate.
Now the same people that are running California are the same ones that rail about defecit fed spending, incured mostly because we are fighting a war.
State of NY, home of Hillary care etc,* 5 billion *dollars in red, despite the most heavily taxed state in the Union.
These states are bascially bankrupt.
Now what do you reckon happens if you put the* entire *country under such leadership?
And some of y’all wanna sign up for this stuff?
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