Society of Jesus: The Jesuits

[jesuitinnam]

Let me share some more of my experiences-

Please be aware that there are good and bad- orthodox and liberal- in every order. I have a deep respect for many Jesuits- such as Cardinal Dulles. However, Dulles is a rare gem in the Society these days.

As I have stated earlier, I have only met one Jesuit who wears his clerics daily. I have studied under many Jesuit professors (for philosophy, theology, psychology) and although I knew they were priests, I can recall certain students who didn’t even know that these professors were priests until I mentioned it! One Jesuit theology professor of mine talked about his disdain for Natural Law teaching- especially regarding Humanae Vitae. Another one talked how he saw nothing wrong with sex outside of marriage. This is what they are telling college kids!

Jesuit’s are notorious for being very liberal towards the Church’s sexual teachings, abortion, etc. They are also well known for Liberation theology, anti-war, etc. In addition, the Society has tended to have a lukewarn relationship with the Vatican. I see the anomosity with one of my own priests. For example, this Jesuit was very mad when he noticed the new Vatican flag in our chapel. That same priest has also refused to do the Latin mass- even though several students and faculty members have requested it! (Thankfully we have found a pius Jesuit who has volunteered to say it for us)

Personally, if you are interested in FSSP, etc, I really don’t understand why you would also be interested in the Jesuits. Of course, there are many wonderful, holy, Jesuit. But on the whole, the order has a liberal reputation. To answer your questions about formation- it takes 12 years to reach final vows as a Jesuit. Yes, the study is free. You are a novice for 2 years before you take first vows. then you will be sent somewhere (anywhere around the world) to study theology and philosophy. If addition to poverty, chastity, and obedience, Jesuits also take a fourth vow- Mission. They will go where they are sent. ( I know one man from NYC who is being sent to Africa to complete his philosophy degree. Needless to say, he was surprised)

God bless you in your discernment! I can answer anymore questions- I have known many Jesuit for many years!

Hrm

I am a young Jesuit and take some issue with a couple of things that you are bluring out as if it were the Gospel truth.

As far as liberation theology is concerned, kindly point out to me where and how you, as a Christian, could be against an ANTI-war manifesto???

Yes, surely Jesuits are considered liberal, because the Jesuit education is just so far superiuor to any other order, lay or religious.

As for clererical dress, it is always worn on official occasions.

THE 4TH VOW IS A VOW OF SPECIAL OBEDIENCE TO THE POPE AND NOT A VOW OF MISSION, AS YOU SO IGNORANTLY PUT FORWARD

So much for strained relations between us and the Papacy. Please refer to the Jesuits’ offical Rome website for further information.

People who do not understand what they are addressing should rather not say anything. It’ is frankly merely embarrasing to all

 

[Poor_Clare_tobe]

Hrm

I am a young Jesuit and take some issue with a couple of things that you are bluring out as if it were the Gospel truth.

As far as liberation theology is concerned, kindly point out to me where and how you, as a Christian, could be against an ANTI-war manifesto???

Yes, surely Jesuits are considered liberal, because the Jesuit education is just so far superiuor to any other order, lay or religious.

As for clererical dress, it is always worn on official occasions.

THE 4TH VOW IS A VOW OF SPECIAL OBEDIENCE TO THE POPE AND NOT A VOW OF MISSION, AS YOU SO IGNORANTLY PUT FORWARD

So much for strained relations between us and the Papacy. Please refer to the Jesuits’ offical Rome website for further information.
[your post thus far was of great help I am sure… hopefully more people from other orders might also give various websites that might broaden or enhance his search]?
People who do not understand what they are addressing should rather not say anything. It’ is frankly merely embarrasing to all
Rather than finding it embarressing I think it adds to ones possibilities in searching for vocation information. We all come to our vocations and ministries in different ways… and thank goodness for the varied charisms of our founders or foundresses… as we can find the best way for us], of serving our Lord in todays Church.
I don’t think anyone met any harm… I think rather that many myself included were responding from personal experiences and not trying to be as in depth theologically as some responses call for. I went to a Jesuit University and know many Jesuits as well as of couse Franciscans and Dominicans among others.
Once again I would encourage our friends posting to visit with members of different congregations as well as diocesean priests and enjoy the search… Blessings
all

 

[EasterJoy]

I am a young Jesuit…the Jesuit education is just so far superiuor to any other order, lay or religious.

Now, you are someone to talk to!

What were the orders that you considered? Did you consider the diocesan priesthood? What led you to become a Jesuit?

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Greetings
I am the product of a Jesuit education- I have studied under and have been friends with Jesuits. Here in America- the Jesuits have a reputation of being very liberal and progressive. I only know one Jesuit who actually wears clerics on a daily basis. The Society has really changed a lot after Vatican II.

I can only second this… If the trajectory of the community that was at my school was any indication of the future… Well there is a reason why the average age of a US Jesuit priest in the United States is 63. A study a priest friend of mine in another order did comparing themselves to the Society revealed that for every 9 Jesuits out there, only one is coming down the line to replace them.

They have an amazing history as an order… The mindset and thinking of the modern Jesuits seems to be a FAR CRY from where they previously were.

Time will tell. Keep praying.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

–
–one reason I would never become a Dominican.

There is blood on their hands.

On whose hands? Modern Dominicans? Riiiiight.

 

[1234]

On whose hands? Modern Dominicans? Riiiiight.

no. long ago and far away. but the descendants of those who died under their aegis are still around and still remember.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

no. long ago and far away. but the descendants of those who died under their aegis are still around and still remember.

I am sorry, but I was a hip, young, liberal collegian at one point in my life… And I will bet you dollars to donuts that if you actually can find a descendent of an Albigensian victim of the sons of Saint Domincic in another age on another continent who are busy “still remembering”… Well honestly I am sure they wear it on their sleave and are excited to have something in their life - from 40+ generations ago no less! - to be outraged about. Some people just revel in that.

Not me.

 

[1234]

I am sorry, but I was a hip, young, liberal collegian at one point in my life… And I will bet you dollars to donuts that if you actually can find a descendent of an Albigensian victim of the sons of Saint Domincic in another age on another continent who are busy “still remembering”… Well honestly I am sure they wear it on their sleave and are excited to have something in their life - from 40+ generations ago no less! - to be outraged about. Some people just revel in that.

Not me.

The Sephardic descendants of the Jews in Spain, exiled, tortured and burned under the Dominicans’ aegis–was more what I had in mind. They remember all of that quite vividly. The Hutterites recall their fierce persecution and horrendous tortures by the Catholics in their homelands–they sing about them in church–but I don’t think that the Dominicans were in charge in that particular persecution. Maybe too busy in Spain.

Many people nowadays, who can’t spell descendent, Dominic or sleeve correctly might not be so bound up with history. But others of us are. This is why I, for one, couldn’t enter the Dominicans. The Benedictines, generally, were better behaved.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Many people nowadays, who can’t spell descendent, Dominic or sleeve correctly might not be so bound up with history. But others of us are. This is why I, for one, couldn’t enter the Dominicans. The Benedictines, generally, were better behaved.

Don’t be a smug jerk.

We all make typos, it was the end of a long day.

But that does speak volumes about you.

 

[Nino]

Quite easy to do…just go to your local library and check out the mag.America…its the official mag for the Jesuits in America…it reads like a latest edition of the demoncrat party platform. I knew 2 Jesuts in my time…one was Father John Houle SJ…he was a missionary in China working with the nationalists…when they were sold out by Truman and Marshall.he was captured ,tortured and after 4 years exiled…made his way to California and joined the Cardinal Mindzenty foundation…made a cheap film-strip titled: Heart of a Priest…one of the most powerful moving films I ever saw and I spoke with it in front of Holy names societies,KofC .American legion etc…in 1990 he was dieing with pulminary fibrosis and received the last rites…a friend placed a relic on his forhead before he passed out…the relic was from Blessed Claude…who had only two miracles in 300 years…next morning Fr.Houle awakened and asked for a slice of pizza…he was cured and after extensive investigation his cure became the third miracle needed for Blessed Claude to become St.Claude de la Colombiere…I treasure the letters from father Houle plus the pics he sent me…the other is Jesuit father Miceli…another great Christian and man…as with so many organizations they are easy to infiltrate from the top.re: money ,influence,advertising etc…

 

[maggiemay2u]

Hrm

I am a young Jesuit and take some issue with a couple of things that you are bluring out as if it were the Gospel truth.

As far as liberation theology is concerned, kindly point out to me where and how you, as a Christian, could be against an ANTI-war manifesto???

Yes, surely Jesuits are considered liberal, because the Jesuit education is just so far superiuor to any other order, lay or religious.

As for clererical dress, it is always worn on official occasions.

THE 4TH VOW IS A VOW OF SPECIAL OBEDIENCE TO THE POPE AND NOT A VOW OF MISSION, AS YOU SO IGNORANTLY PUT FORWARD

So much for strained relations between us and the Papacy. Please refer to the Jesuits’ offical Rome website for further information.

People who do not understand what they are addressing should rather not say anything. It’ is frankly merely embarrasing to all

My Jesuit brother–I don’t pretend to have more than a rudimentary knowledge of your order, What I do know, comes from friends, years ago, who were Jesuits, and a trip to two Jesuit schools recently.

From years gone by, I recall bright guys, dedicated to their faith, albeit sometimes on the edge of the rubrics.

What I saw at the schools was, to say the least, disturbing. “Reproductive Rights in a Green World” and GLBT Mixer were part of the fare. When I questioned it (to a dean), I was looked at like I was a bug for my lack of inclusiveness. A priest told me I was not open enough to the progressive nature of the academic world. The tabernacle was a tourist attraction with people gliding about it, chatting about the history of the decor. When I asked about the religious ed department I was told while there were academic requirements, not to be alarmed because they didn’t have a lot to do with Catholicism. I was told the priests were “really cool” and rarely wore cassocks, and that they had a fabulous wine selection.

I have been told there are Jesuit schools that aren’t quite as “progressive” as the ones I visited. I’d love to know where they are.

 

[1234]

Don’t be a smug jerk.

We all make typos, it was the end of a long day.

But that does speak volumes about you.

It speaks volumes that I believe that if you’re trying to make a point on a serious subject in particular, it is worthwhile to write correct English. I make typos all the time and always try to correct them.

You don’t care about history AND you don’t care about writing correct English?
*
That* speaks volumes about you!

 

[EasterJoy]

Don’t be a smug jerk.

We all make typos, it was the end of a long day.

But that does speak volumes about you.

It speaks volumes that I believe that if you’re trying to make a point on a serious subject in particular, it is worthwhile to write correct English. I make typos all the time and always try to correct them.

You don’t care about history AND you don’t care about writing correct English?
*
That* speaks volumes about you!

Brothers, brothers…let’s just take note that it is best to correct other poster gently, when it is necessary at all, to respond mildly even when correctly roughly, to apologize quickly when one has been unintentionally too gruff about it, and leave it at that.

In other words, “the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.” We can all agree on what the main thing is, I think, right?

 

[ASimpleSinner]

You don’t care about history AND you don’t care about writing correct English?
*
That* speaks volumes about you!

You know darned well that your point is as pedantic as it is meant to be humiliating. ***I forgive you ***and will let it go at that.

 

[1234]

You know darned well that your point is as pedantic as it is meant to be humiliating. ***I forgive you ***and will let it go at that.

This discussion brings up a point I have been wanting to make for a while.

For casual exchanges online, spelling and grammar don’t really matter that much. Capitalizing, in particular, appears to go by the wayside without much harm.

But if you’re discussing relatively important matters of belief, religion, history, apologetics, then things get trickier. To get your point across, it helps to sound as if you know what you’re talking about, and that includes using correct spelling and punctuation. It pays to compose these exchanges if you’re writing a term paper. I know that this sounds pedantic and picayune, but it’s not. Time and time again, I read stuff that betray, by constant misspellings and bad grammar, that the writer doesn’t care when s/he has written and hasn’t proof read it. This isn’t important for the average discussion on a forum, but when there is a serious exchange of views on an important topic, then these things count. I notice that most of the discussions on the Non-Catholic forum on such topics as Anglican orders and Orthodoxy for example, consist of letter-perfect exchanges.

There is a spell checker program which is probably on my browser which underlines my frequent typos when I post online. Fortunately, it picks up most of them.

 

[maggiemay2u]

But if you’re discussing relatively important matters of belief, religion, history, apologetics, then things get trickier. To get your point across, it helps to sound as if you know what you’re talking about, and that includes using correct spelling and punctuation. It pays to compose these exchanges if you’re writing a term paper. I know that this sounds pedantic and picayune, but it’s not. Time and time again, I read stuff that betray, by constant misspellings and bad grammar, that the writer doesn’t care when s/he has written and hasn’t proof read it. This isn’t important for the average discussion on a forum, but when there is a serious exchange of views on an important topic, then these things count. I notice that most of the discussions on the Non-Catholic forum on such topics as Anglican orders and Orthodoxy for example, consist of letter-perfect exchanges.
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1. I haven’t written a term paper in a very long time, and I have no plans to write one in the future…
2. It sounds more Pharisean than picayune to me, but that’s just my opinion…

 

[Poor_Clare_tobe]

Brothers, brothers…let’s just take note that it is best to correct other poster gently, when it is necessary at all, to respond mildly even when correctly roughly, to apologize quickly when one has been unintentionally too gruff about it, and leave it at that.

In other words, “the main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.” We can all agree on what the main thing is, I think, right?

Well said Easter.

[wow if I had to worry about all the typos I might make I would never post here again. I never thought spelling and punctuation would be graded in a chat room, rather I thought that visiting and exchanging ideas and answering questions were more important? perhaps I was incorrect in that???]

Blessings all… and again thank you easter for trying to bring us back to a loving center

 

[chicago]

This isn’t important for the average discussion on a forum, but when there is a serious exchange of views on an important topic, then these things count.

While I tend to have some sympathy for your position, I also think that there needs to be a certain amount of reasonable allowance. Especially considering that, most often, forum discussion (even when intense and serious) are still something which tends to fall into the casual conversation context.

I notice that most of the discussions on the Non-Catholic forum on such topics as Anglican orders and Orthodoxy for example, consist of letter-perfect exchanges.

Is that, perhaps, more because some of the people who are attracted to these sort of issues of concern have a natural tendency towards highlighting the importance of particulars, anyway? Or, maybe, they have been sensitized to a prioritization of the formal which lends itself to such sensibilities?

There is a spell checker program which is probably on my browser which underlines my frequent typos when I post online. Fortunately, it picks up most of them.

Not everyone has one of these checking their posts. Thus, things may be more easily missed.

 

[maize]

i heard the jesuits started the war of 1812,invented color television, and learned how to use garbage to power time machines to be able to change history an are currently working on plans to take out martin luther.

confirm/deny?

 

[Poor_Clare_tobe]

i heard the jesuits started the war of 1812,invented color television, and learned how to use garbage to power time machines to be able to change history an are currently working on plans to take out martin luther.

confirm/deny?

[thank you for lightening up the discussion a bit…hoperfully it helps us to keep things in proper perspective]

Blessings to all while on your vocational journey!

“May God Give You Peace and All That is Good!”