Sodom and Gomorrah, literal or allegorical?

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With all this talk of God smiting Haiti with an earthquake because of sin, it brings up the question for me regarding the Bible story of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Does the Church have a specific teaching or interpretation of this story? I tend to think that it is allegorical. I also think that the ancients tended to interpret natural disasters as the wrath of God, when they were sometimes merely scientifically explainable occurrences.

I’d be curious to read what more knowledgeable students of the Bible here have to say about this subject.
 
The church doesn’t define each line of scripture, but if you want my opinion then I tend to lean towards the literal with this one. Certainly there is an alagorical story in there, but there is some very good basis for believing this one really happend. First and formost, this is yet another OT story which Christ brings up in what appears to be a literal sense (at least to me anyway, but hey I’m not infallible). More over, the idea of a city being destroyed in fire and brim stone just isn’t at all far fetched. Heck, even just nature can do that all by it’s self, I have no problem believing God could decide to destroy it due to it’s immorality.
 
My vote is for literal; very literal. I’ll check and see what the Navarre says about it. It contains very orthodox teaching on what the Church believes.
 
That area shows signs of a big volcanic eruption with enough sulphur to have created quite a fiery light show. Lot’s wife would have been covered in volcanic ash, a white pillar, gazing at the spectacle. As there have been no prophets coming forward to claim credit for predicting Haiti’s ruin, this “act of God” might be just an earthquake, a random event like the tragedy in Christ’s time of the Tower of Siloam falling and crushing the workers.

May the merciful Lord preserve us from His judgment and from judging, and may He rebuild and reforest Haiti for His honor and glory. AMEN
 
Hi Middleman,

Unless something goes against reason or against known facts, we must assume that it must be interpreted literally. On the other hand, the Bible has a spiritual purpose and the lesson here is God’s hatred of sin.

Verbum
 
Sodom and Gomorrah is a miniature of the world’s ending.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to the ones that sin. And it is literal, in my opinion.
 
Sodom and Gomorrah is a miniature of the world’s ending.

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Jude 1:7

Sodom and Gomorrah are an example of what will happen to the ones that sin. And it is literal, in my opinion.
This is the best answer.

In Jude 1:7, God gives an EXAMPLE, a ILLISTRATION, of what exactly is GODS WRATH.

We know that Gods wrath is an eternal fire, so we have this example,

And was Sodom and Gomorrha burning with Gods wrath for ever and ever, no it burned for a day or two at the most, the fire died, and nothing was left. In other words, Gods eternal fire is a fire that totally erases you.

This is how we are to understand death and hell.

hell, is simply death. all of the examples in the bible, when speaking of the word hell, whether it be sheol, hades, gehanna, hell, pit, or grave, it all signifies death. and dying unsaved, under the wrath of God, is an eternal fire.

but we are taught that the eternal fire is unquenchable and forever, well it is, however not in the literal pain understanding,

which is why so many people are confused about hell,

which is why Jude 1:7 is given as an EXAMPLE.

because the eternal fire of God, which is the punishment for sin, which many like to believe is the bowls of hell and eternal pain, can be comfortated by the fact that the example given, of Sodom and Gomorrah, simply burned for a day or two, then ceased to exist.

Is the fire still raging, did it burn for ten years, for a century. No it burned completely up in a matter of hours, a few days at the most. that is the nature of fire, it destroys.

Thus we can be comforted in the fact that hell, is simply death. That if your not saved and go to heaven, if you die, you go to hell, which is just death, and the loss of any sort of future in heaven or a second life or anything, because the eternal fire of God vanquisehed your soul, it is gone, no suffering, no eternal fire in hell, but a complete and total annihalation.

We can test this by the verses speaking of the lake of fire.

Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Hell, which is simply death, will be DESTROYED,
Death, and hades, (the same word) will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death, and will be DESTROYED.

The bible teaches that hell, death, sin and satan will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death, and will be DESTROYED.

So you can gather from this, by comparing scripture to scripture, that there will come a time when even the death of those who are unsaved will be complete, meaning, all sin will be erased, it is destoyed, which points to the fact that you dont spend eternity writhing in pain and torment suffering in a place called hell.

that is called parabolic language, metaphorical language to express the reality of the spiritual truth.

our example is Jude 1:7 and Sodom and Gommorah. it only burned for a maximum of a few days, then it was gone. This is exactly what happens to those who are unsaved, who die in sin, and previously thought they spend eternity in hell, but no, they have no conscience thought or anykind, they are gone dead, dust, dissapeared, never to come back.
 
It’s often said that Catholics can’t sing. I don’t know if that is true or not but I know we can dance. There seems to be an increasing - and disturbing - tendency to dance around certain biblical passages that might just make us look a little silly to the world if we admitted to taking them literally. Exactly what part of this passage allows for anything other than a literal, historical interpretation? I’m not saying there are no non-literal parts of the Bible. I am saying this is not one of them. The cities were destroyed exactly as is depicted.
 
It’s often said that Catholics can’t sing. I don’t know if that is true or not but I know we can dance. There seems to be an increasing - and disturbing - tendency to dance around certain biblical passages that might just make us look a little silly to the world if we admitted to taking them literally. Exactly what part of this passage allows for anything other than a literal, historical interpretation? I’m not saying there are no non-literal parts of the Bible. I am saying this is not one of them. The cities were destroyed exactly as is depicted.
Jude 1:7 (King James Version)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It was destroyed exactly as depicted, and how long did the fire burn which burned Sodom and Gommorah, the fire burned for no more than a literal few days. This literally happened, and the fire literally burned them and erased them in anywhere from a few hours to a few days at most. At most this fire burned for a literal few days, and this EXAMPLE is given to us as an ILLISTRATION of Gods Wrath, and the Word is spoken in parables, which are earthly stories with spiritual meanings, and the Word of God are spiritual words which are the words of Salvation:

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

*Christ is the Word Who is Salvation *Jon 1:14:the Word made flesh and dwelt among us
**The Word is Salvation, Who is Christ
***The Word is Spiritual and is Gods Word. Christ is Spiritual and is God in Person. ie.The living bread. If the Word is God and is Spiritual Salvation, and Jesus is the Word who is God and is Spiritual Salvation, then The Word of God is the Bread, and Jesus Christ is the Living Bread. This means that they are both the same bread, except for that short moment in time, God walked among man, and was the living word made flesh. This all revolves around the word of God, the Word of God became flesh to become the teacher whos ministry it was to preach the word of God, and as He ascended into heaven He gave a great commision, to “go out and preach the Gospel” that is the word of God. That is why it is important to trust in the word of God as the ultimate authority.
***Christ is the Bread, The Word is the Bread

There is no other interpretation that would be accurate, because the verse actually says, that Sodom and Gommorah are set forth as an example of Gods eternal fire.

So when you come upon verses speaking of Eternal fire, and Gods wrath, which normally in the context you read them are speaking of that thing that is destroyed to nothingness or the dead and hell; which is pretty bleak is it not? Doesn’t ETERNAL FIRE **SOUND **like a never ending anguish and torment in burning hot fire. ITS NOT. You can know this because GOD almighthy has written in His word an example of exactly what His Eternal Fire means. IT means you are totally annihalated. You learn this by comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. Or in other words, scripture to scripture

And you come upon Jude 1:7 and it says…set forth as an example of Gods eternal fire. So there you have it. The bible defines the itself. It is it’s own interpretor.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (King James Version)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual

In other words, the words of God, which the bible, are spiritual words. To understand harmony and Gods Word, you compare spiritual things with spiritual. Then if you learn something that is new or contrary to what you have known, you don’t ignore it or deny it or come to the conclusion that you are wrong or the bible is wrong, No, you trust the bible, because the bible is the word of God, it is perfect, and you allow yourself to be corrected.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (King James Version)
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Finally, to answer the OP question. this is all a parable. an earthly story with heavenly meaning. It is all literal even the talking Donkey in Numbers, and it parabolic language conveying spiritual truth. In other words, it is a metaphore for Christ, who is salvation, and the teaching is sometimes difficult to grasp, but understanding the word is spoken in parables is a start, and to compare scripture to scripture, and allow your self to be corrected by the bible.
 
Jude 1:7 (King James Version)
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

It was destroyed exactly as depicted, and how long did the fire burn which burned Sodom and Gommorah, the fire burned for no more than a literal few days. This literally happened, and the fire literally burned them and erased them in anywhere from a few hours to a few days at most. At most this fire burned for a literal few days, and this EXAMPLE is given to us as an ILLISTRATION of Gods Wrath, and the Word is spoken in parables, which are earthly stories with spiritual meanings, and the Word of God are spiritual words which are the words of Salvation:

John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

*Christ is the Word Who is Salvation *Jon 1:14:the Word made flesh and dwelt among us
**The Word is Salvation, Who is Christ
***The Word is Spiritual and is Gods Word. Christ is Spiritual and is God in Person. ie.The living bread. If the Word is God and is Spiritual Salvation, and Jesus is the Word who is God and is Spiritual Salvation, then The Word of God is the Bread, and Jesus Christ is the Living Bread. This means that they are both the same bread, except for that short moment in time, God walked among man, and was the living word made flesh. This all revolves around the word of God, the Word of God became flesh to become the teacher whos ministry it was to preach the word of God, and as He ascended into heaven He gave a great commision, to “go out and preach the Gospel” that is the word of God. That is why it is important to trust in the word of God as the ultimate authority.
***Christ is the Bread, The Word is the Bread

There is no other interpretation that would be accurate, because the verse actually says, that Sodom and Gommorah are set forth as an example of Gods eternal fire.

So when you come upon verses speaking of Eternal fire, and Gods wrath, which normally in the context you read them are speaking of that thing that is destroyed to nothingness or the dead and hell; which is pretty bleak is it not? Doesn’t ETERNAL FIRE **SOUND **like a never ending anguish and torment in burning hot fire. ITS NOT. You can know this because GOD almighthy has written in His word an example of exactly what His Eternal Fire means. IT means you are totally annihalated. You learn this by comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. Or in other words, scripture to scripture

And you come upon Jude 1:7 and it says…set forth as an example of Gods eternal fire. So there you have it. The bible defines the itself. It is it’s own interpretor.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (King James Version)
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual

In other words, the words of God, which the bible, are spiritual words. To understand harmony and Gods Word, you compare spiritual things with spiritual. Then if you learn something that is new or contrary to what you have known, you don’t ignore it or deny it or come to the conclusion that you are wrong or the bible is wrong, No, you trust the bible, because the bible is the word of God, it is perfect, and you allow yourself to be corrected.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (King James Version)
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Finally, to answer the OP question. this is all a parable. an earthly story with heavenly meaning. It is all literal even the talking Donkey in Numbers, and it parabolic language conveying spiritual truth. In other words, it is a metaphore for Christ, who is salvation, and the teaching is sometimes difficult to grasp, but understanding the word is spoken in parables is a start, and to compare scripture to scripture, and allow your self to be corrected by the bible.
Can’t you have an opinion without preaching at us? It is very off putting to say the least.
 
The account of the destruction should be taken literally. Jesus Himself spoke of literal and spiritual things.

Peace,
Ed
 
This is the best answer.

In Jude 1:7, God gives an EXAMPLE, a ILLISTRATION, of what exactly is GODS WRATH.

We know that Gods wrath is an eternal fire, so we have this example,

And was Sodom and Gomorrha burning with Gods wrath for ever and ever, no it burned for a day or two at the most, the fire died, and nothing was left. In other words, Gods eternal fire is a fire that totally erases you.

This is how we are to understand death and hell.

hell, is simply death. all of the examples in the bible, when speaking of the word hell, whether it be sheol, hades, gehanna, hell, pit, or grave, it all signifies death. and dying unsaved, under the wrath of God, is an eternal fire.

but we are taught that the eternal fire is unquenchable and forever, well it is, however not in the literal pain understanding,

which is why so many people are confused about hell,

which is why Jude 1:7 is given as an EXAMPLE.

because the eternal fire of God, which is the punishment for sin, which many like to believe is the bowls of hell and eternal pain, can be comfortated by the fact that the example given, of Sodom and Gomorrah, simply burned for a day or two, then ceased to exist.

Is the fire still raging, did it burn for ten years, for a century. No it burned completely up in a matter of hours, a few days at the most. that is the nature of fire, it destroys.

Thus we can be comforted in the fact that hell, is simply death. That if your not saved and go to heaven, if you die, you go to hell, which is just death, and the loss of any sort of future in heaven or a second life or anything, because the eternal fire of God vanquisehed your soul, it is gone, no suffering, no eternal fire in hell, but a complete and total annihalation.

We can test this by the verses speaking of the lake of fire.

Rev 20:14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
1Cor 15:26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 "But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Hell, which is simply death, will be DESTROYED,
Death, and hades, (the same word) will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death, and will be DESTROYED.

The bible teaches that hell, death, sin and satan will be cast into the lake of fire, which is the second death, and will be DESTROYED.

So you can gather from this, by comparing scripture to scripture, that there will come a time when even the death of those who are unsaved will be complete, meaning, all sin will be erased, it is destoyed, which points to the fact that you dont spend eternity writhing in pain and torment suffering in a place called hell.

that is called parabolic language, metaphorical language to express the reality of the spiritual truth.

our example is Jude 1:7 and Sodom and Gommorah. it only burned for a maximum of a few days, then it was gone. This is exactly what happens to those who are unsaved, who die in sin, and previously thought they spend eternity in hell, but no, they have no conscience thought or anykind, they are gone dead, dust, dissapeared, never to come back.
I liked what C.S. Lewis wrote in “the problem of pain”. It is true that fire entails destruction but it also entails remains. A log burns but after that you get smoke and ash which is a state of “used to be a log”. A soul in hell is indeed destroyed by fire and what you get are leftovers. Souls in hell aren’t even human, they are simply leftovers having been burned by God’s wrath. When we find Jesus Christ we find ourselves and fulfill our humanity, when we lose Jesus Christ through sin we lose our humanity and become less than beasts.
 
With all this talk of God smiting Haiti with an earthquake because of sin,
All what talk?

The foolish and baseless things said by heretics who know nothing of genuine Christian beliefs should be of little concern to those of a more orthodox Christian faith.
 
I liked what C.S. Lewis wrote in “the problem of pain”. It is true that fire entails destruction but it also entails remains. A log burns but after that you get smoke and ash which is a state of “used to be a log”. A soul in hell is indeed destroyed by fire and what you get are leftovers. Souls in hell aren’t even human, they are simply leftovers having been burned by God’s wrath. When we find Jesus Christ we find ourselves and fulfill our humanity, when we lose Jesus Christ through sin we lose our humanity and become less than beasts.
Interesting opinion, however I can’t see in it any biblical truth in it. What makes you think a soul in hell is less than human, and are leftovers and less than beasts. That is not even comforting in the least, this is not even catholic teaching is it? There is no truth to this what so ever.

The point of the example of Gods wrath as eternal fire, is that, after a few hours, a few days at the most, NOTHING WAS LEFT. The ashes blew into the wind and scattered, not one trace was left.

That is the example, Gods wrath, as an eternal fire, CONSUMES YOU TO NOTHINGNESS. There is no eternal suffering in fire, the eternal aspect is that you are eternally dead, dissapeared and never to come back or feel or see or touch or hear or be in any sort of state. YOU ARE DEAD. a dead man is not in a state of seperation, a dead man is nothingness forever and ever never to come back.

CS Lewis has an interesting opinion, but your authority should be the bible, not something CS Lewis wrote once. The example is proof enough that Gods eternal fire is a fire that consumes to nothingness.

which should be a great comfort to many who live in fear of Judgment. Hell, which is death, is not eternal fire in pain, the eternal fire is a parable, or a metaphore for an all consuming fire which blots that thing on fire out into nothingness. Rest assured, your friends or family or dead relatives who seemed to have died rejecting God, are not suffering forever and ever in the fire of hell, rest assured these people have the mercy of God upon them, which is they lived a full healthy happy life on this planet, then they died unsaved, then they simply cease to be, they are not suffering, they are gone and feel nothing or have no conscience existence ever again. That is the mercy of Gods Judgment. The punishment for sin is death [physical and spiritual] and to forever be seperated from God. Yet even that is not entirely accurate. Because a dead man is not seperated, as if the dead man is in a state of seperation as if the dead can be in any state other than dead, yet it is as adequete as any to describe in an understandable way. Yet the mercy is that once you go, you go quick and painless and then thats it, so you don’t even have any conscience thought to feel bad about being seperated, you are nothing ever again. That is a mercy, rather then suffering the eternal fire of hell as if you suffer and burn forever. That is a fable.
 
Interesting opinion, however I can’t see in it any biblical truth in it. What makes you think a soul in hell is less than human, and are leftovers and less than beasts. That is not even comforting in the least, this is not even catholic teaching is it? There is no truth to this what so ever.

The point of the example of Gods wrath as eternal fire, is that, after a few hours, a few days at the most, NOTHING WAS LEFT. The ashes blew into the wind and scattered, not one trace was left.

That is the example, Gods wrath, as an eternal fire, CONSUMES YOU TO NOTHINGNESS. There is no eternal suffering in fire, the eternal aspect is that you are eternally dead, dissapeared and never to come back or feel or see or touch or hear or be in any sort of state. YOU ARE DEAD. a dead man is not in a state of seperation, a dead man is nothingness forever and ever never to come back.

CS Lewis has an interesting opinion, but your authority should be the bible, not something CS Lewis wrote once. The example is proof enough that Gods eternal fire is a fire that consumes to nothingness.

which should be a great comfort to many who live in fear of Judgment. Hell, which is death, is not eternal fire in pain, the eternal fire is a parable, or a metaphore for an all consuming fire which blots that thing on fire out into nothingness. Rest assured, your friends or family or dead relatives who seemed to have died rejecting God, are not suffering forever and ever in the fire of hell, rest assured these people have the mercy of God upon them, which is they lived a full healthy happy life on this planet, then they died unsaved, then they simply cease to be, they are not suffering, they are gone and feel nothing or have no conscience existence ever again. That is the mercy of Gods Judgment. The punishment for sin is death [physical and spiritual] and to forever be seperated from God. Yet even that is not entirely accurate. Because a dead man is not seperated, as if the dead man is in a state of seperation as if the dead can be in any state other than dead, yet it is as adequete as any to describe in an understandable way. Yet the mercy is that once you go, you go quick and painless and then thats it, so you don’t even have any conscience thought to feel bad about being seperated, you are nothing ever again. That is a mercy, rather then suffering the eternal fire of hell as if you suffer and burn forever. That is a fable.
What I have heard about Hell is that the worst pain is the pain of regret. This is exemplified by Luke 16:22-31 in which the beggar, Lazarus, who was denied crumbs by the rich man goes to heaven and the rich man goes to hell and cries out to Abraham who can’t consider the rich man’s pleas regarding his five brethren. The pain of regret is that once in Hell a person’s prayers are not considered and it is too late to make up for one’s sins.
BUT the upswing is that in Near Death Experiences this atheist named Howard Storm escaped Hell having not committed any mortal sins but ended up in the ‘void’ - darkness? - and he finally escapes by radically calling on Jesus…
near-death.com/storm.html
Maybe you can copy-paste that link or go to near-death.com and look up Howard Storm under Noteable NDEs. He came back to life and is now a minister.
God Bless…
 
What I have heard about Hell is that the worst pain is the pain of regret. This is exemplified by Luke 16:22-31 in which the beggar, Lazarus, who was denied crumbs by the rich man goes to heaven and the rich man goes to hell and cries out to Abraham who can’t consider the rich man’s pleas regarding his five brethren. The pain of regret is that once in Hell a person’s prayers are not considered and it is too late to make up for one’s sins.
BUT the upswing is that in Near Death Experiences this atheist named Howard Storm escaped Hell having not committed any mortal sins but ended up in the ‘void’ - darkness? - and he finally escapes by radically calling on Jesus…
near-death.com/storm.html
Maybe you can copy-paste that link or go to near-death.com and look up Howard Storm under Noteable NDEs. He came back to life and is now a minister.
God Bless…
I’m thinking that the Parable of Lazarus is not an accurate portrayal of hell. For one, nobody in hell can see across a chasm to see people in heaven. I don’t think Jesus was trying to say that this is the hell where the worm does not die.

Instead, I think Jesus is referring to the commonly held belief of the Jewish “Sheol” (what the Greeks call Hades). This would be the “hell” that we believe Jesus went to preach after His Crucifixion and before His Resurrection.
 
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