Sodomy Law

[fix]

Right. So let’s start locking up everyone who takes God’s name in vain or doesn’t show up to Church on Sundays. Oh, they’re Seventh Day Adventists? Too bad! This is a Catholic land and you’ll go to Mass on Sundays and like it! They’re Hindus and thus only go to temple services when they please? That’s a shame; they don’t worship the one true God and so they must be imprisoned.

You’re kidding me, right?

Why are you equating missing mass with sodomy? No one has urged laws proscribing sectarian rules. We are talking about crimes against the natural moral law.

 

[fix]

I am saying different issues need to be treated differently and adultery causes far more damage to society, especially children.

I am for making adultery illegal. I am not sure though that adultery is worse than sodomy. Adultery is certainly is not worse that gay marriage.

 

[fix]

Thanks for the unfounded assumptions and uncharitable tone. It’s really Christ-like.

Why do you see my words as uncharitable? Because they are counter to your view?

Homosexuals and heterosexuals are equal as human beings. For that matter, murderers and saints are also equal in dignity as human beings and loved equally by God. Where they end up at the end of their lives is dependent on how much love they have for God, not how much God loves them. Because God loves them the same.

That is not the issue. In fact you make my point right here. They are equal in dignity but their actions are not.

But we need not go so far as to advocate for people who violate those laws of God to be thrown in prison!

As stated that is not my position.

I find it absolutely astonishing that I am being castigated by alleged Christians because I think that laws that criminalize sexual acts between consenting adults is unfair and not something that Christ would defend. He refused to condemn a woman caught in adultery. He refused to carry out any punishment against her in fact! So should we. And then we should follow His instruction and say the same thing He said: “Now go and sin no more.” Our objective should be to instruct the ignorant and to admonish the sinner. Not to throw the sinner into prison.

You have ripped one section of the bible out and created an entire theology out of it without reconciling it with all of Scripture and all of Church teaching.

 

[The_Bucket]

I am for making adultery illegal. I am not sure though that adultery is worse than sodomy. Adultery is certainly is not worse that gay marriage.

How and in what way is adultery less grave than gay marriage? In the case of adultery you have the added violation of trust, the betrayal of someone you promised to care of in sickness and in health until the day of your death. So not only is there sex outside of marriage, there is also the backstabbing of the one person you are supposed to cherish above all others.

Gay marriage is certainly not to be advocated for, but at least the intention involved (trying to create a stable family atmosphere and profess love for another person) is not cruel and selfish. Adultery is indeed cruel and selfish.

And I’m sorry but yes, you cannot single out people for committing certain acts while letting others slide. Basically you’d advocate for singling out homosexuals for their sexual sins while heterosexuals get a freer pass. This is not permissible. It constitutes unjust discrimination against homosexuals. Even if you’re OK with locking people up for adultery or fornication (why, I don’t know) you studiously avoided saying whether you’d prosecute a Catholic married couple who basically “accidentally” commit sodomy while at the same time saying we should lock up homosexuals who do the same thing.

That’s unconstitutional and a gross discrimination. You go after the ACTS committed by people, not the people themselves. And what about sodomy committed within marriage in general? What about non-Christians who truly believe there is absolutely nothing wrong with oral or anal sex to completion within their married relationship? Are you going to prosecute them as well because hey, they are wrong! And it’s true. They are wrong. And they’re doing the same thing that homosexual men do.

And what about homosexual women? They don’t commit sodomy the way that homosexual men do. Are you going to go after them with the same gusto?

Criminal law must be applied uniformly. You can’t single out homosexuals for their sexual acts any more than you can single out people of certain races or creeds for committing other criminal acts.

 

[The_Bucket]

If you’re for sodomy laws but against throwing those who commit offenses against them in jail, then what do you support? Just having them on the books? Fines? Probation? “Rehabilitation” or some other such nonsense because for the record, you can’t “reprogram” homosexuals unless their same-sex attraction was the result of some kind of abuse. And even then they’re going to have a lifetime struggles.

Or do you just want to live in a jurisdiction where these things are technically illegal but we don’t actually do something about it?

Your words were uncharitable because you made blatant assumptions that I am somehow a supporter of the current civic culture and that I see things through the lens of “homosexual apologists,” whatever the hell they are. The fact that you’d use a term like that is pretty messed up.

American justice is not God’s justice, that’s quite right. God’s justice is perfect and American justice never will be because it’s man-made. But we should not be trying to emulate God’s justice, we should emulate His mercy. True justice is for God alone. Since we are incapable of fully emulating His mercy, we should not even attempt to copy His justice.

We should admonish the sinner. We should instruct the ignorant. We should stand up for traditional marriage. We should love all people as they are today, because that’s how God loves them and lead them to Christ by example. Arresting or fining or even citing people for sexual sins is not going to lead them to Christ. It’s not going to provide a “wake up call” that what they are doing is morally wrong. And the government should not be involved in making these moral judgments because someday those judgments could be turned around and used to prosecute the Church and Her flock.

 

[Dakota_Roberts]

I am for making adultery illegal. I am not sure though that adultery is worse than sodomy. Adultery is certainly is not worse that gay marriage.

Husband and wife engaging in sodomy present lower societal harm than one cheating on the other.

I was under the impression this thread was about sodomy not gay marriage.

 

[Matilda_Bennett]

Please remember that charity is essential to our discussions here. Thank you for your cooperation.

 

[Boy_Wonder]

Right. So let’s start locking up everyone who takes God’s name in vain or doesn’t show up to Church on Sundays. Oh, they’re Seventh Day Adventists? Too bad! This is a Catholic land and you’ll go to Mass on Sundays and like it! They’re Hindus and thus only go to temple services when they please? That’s a shame; they don’t worship the one true God and so they must be imprisoned.

You’re kidding me, right?

NO! I’m not kidding but you totally misunderstood me.

When I said “if God forbids it, that should be enough for us”, I meant that we don’t need a law because we’re already obligated to refrain from this.

I didn’t mean that a law should be passed criminalizing certain conducts which God forbids. That’s insane. Laws against things like adultery or sodomy and blasphemy or observance of the Sabbath are nothing but a problem. Courts hate them. They’re difficult to enforce and are often unevenly enforced. This produces very unjust results.

However, there are acts God forbids which should also be illegal because they are universally and objective evil. Examples include: homicide, violence, sexual abuse/sexual assault, theft, perjury, and so on.

 

[Boy_Wonder]

Please remember that charity is essential to our discussions here. Thank you for your cooperation.

Thanks for the reminder. Why do we all light up like pinball machines whenever sex is mentioned? Let’s be adults and, above all, charitable.

 

[The_Bucket]

My apologies for the misunderstanding. I heartily concur with your assessment Boy Wonder.

 

[Boy_Wonder]

My apologies for the misunderstanding. I heartily concur with your assessment Boy Wonder.

thanks!

 

[Reep]

Of course sodomy should be illegal.

What punishments would you recommend? Years in prison? Is the Old Testament death penalty over the top?

 

[devoutchristian]

Are you serious? The vast majority of incestual “relationships” involve an adult and a minor.

Are you saying that incestuous sex between adults should be legal?

Except that it isn’t. Thanks for playing.

Yes it is. The notion that the state should make no distinction between the true religion and false ones is a condemned proposition.

What punishments would you recommend? Years in prison? Is the Old Testament death penalty over the top?

Maybe around a month or perhaps a fine.