What part of what I wrote didn’t you understand? Luther never said that faith in faith saves, he said that the object of our faith must be Christ, He alone saves,
This is playing with words.
Luther taught that by having faith, by believing that Christ died for sins and rose, you are justified (saved). Of course the faith is in Christ. Of course He is the savior who saves us. Luther taught that what we need to do, all we need to do on our part, is believe in Him, have faith that His incarnation, death and resurrection atone for sins.
If his doctrine had nothing to do with faith as a means of salvation, but the point he was making was about Christ then he might have called it Christ alone. He called it faith alone, because he believed he discovered a novel truth, one that had been missed by all the preceding generations of Christians. If what he was saying is we are saved by Christ alone there is no doctrinal dispute. But that is not what he was insisting.
Catholics hold that we need something more than faith. We need to also hope in God, and love Him and one another. We do all of these things by grace. The power to do them comes from God. The theological virtues, faith, hope and love, are infused into the soul directly by God as grace (gifts).
In order for a Lutheran to refute this position, he would have to show that scripture teaches otherwise. It does not matter what Luther taught or did not teach. It only matters what scripture says. So where does scripture not only say faith alone saves, but where does it say hope and love are not necessary to salvation?
It is boggling that any Christian might insist that a soul could be saved without the love of God. The obstinance is confounding.
Woman pastoress do not have valid orders, only men can be pastors, the ELCA which has woman pastoress is hardly Lutheran anymore.
I can’t say what is Lutheran or what is not. I am not Lutheran. I don’t belong to the sect. It is not my business. I don’t care.
From a Catholic outsider’s perspective this particular dispute among Lutherans or Protestants is like any other. One side says A is correct. The other says B. There is no church authority to decide which is right and which is wrong.
The Catholic Church, regarding this particular matter, had the same internal argument about women being ordained priestesses. The pope settled it. There are some who still don’t like it, but the pope settled the matter. The reason he gave for acting was to resolve controversy that was afflicting the Church, so the dissension could be stopped. It was time to move on and in order to do that people needed to know if it was A or B.
Luteran’s lack this mechanism for dealing with disputes. Peter’s successor has no voice. His authority is denied. They have the authority of scripture.
Luther’s novel methodology of dealing with doctrinal matters is to appeal to scripture alone, sola scriptura. What this methodology has led to is denominationalism, a constant dividing, the destruction of unity, contradicting Christ’s command found in scripture that His followers be one, unified, which is echoed by Paul in scripture.
What you end up with, practically, in practice, is what you declare above, that group over there is not Lutheran, separation. This is the inevitable consequence of what Luther began and it is repeated over and over again.
That group over there insists it is right, it has the truth in the way it practices faith, ordaining women in this case. They believe they are right as you believe you are, so you go your seperate ways, both insisting you are right, because you believe scripture is the source or definer of your doctrine and the Bible is on your side.
History shows that the consequence of embracing sola scriptura is division. It is not theology that proves this. It is history.
The only way to avoid getting into situations like the one you describe when you say those people over there are not Lutheran (of us) anymore, is to be rid of the doctrinal cause of the situation. Any doctrine that would lead to the constant division as witnessed in historical Protestantism, must be false. God’s will for us is unity as scripture affirms, but scripture alone will never create or sustain unity.