Sola Scriptura is Absolutely biblical

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cfrancis;4295560]Your logic is running around in circles! “It’s in the Bible because it’s Scripture, and it’s Scripture because it’s in the Bible…”
If you do believe “The biblical support would be the writings themselves” why can yo unot provide Biblical evidence for the canon?
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The canon is a compliation of all the inspired books. First we must know which books are inspired before we can have a canon. Once we know which books are inspired we have a canon.
Which writings in the NT tell us they are inspired?
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We would have to apply the “tests” to each to determine this. That has already been done and i think they (the church i.e. the Catholic church) got it right.
If you have no problem using tradition and what others (outside the Bible) have said to support your beliefs, why do you have a problem if others do the same?
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Depends what were discussing here. I don’t accept all that Catholic church has taught (as most serious catholics do) for the primary reason that what is taught at times circumavents the Scriptures authority.
 
justasking4 said:
The canon is a compliation of all the inspired books. First we must know which books are inspired before we can have a canon. Once we know which books are inspired we have a canon.

We would have to apply the “tests” to each to determine this. That has already been done and i think they (the church i.e. the Catholic church) got it right.
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OK, this makes sense, except for the part, “i think they…got it right.” Upon what is this based?
justasking4 said:
Depends what were discussing here. I don’t accept all that Catholic church has taught (as most serious catholics do) for the primary reason that what is taught at times circumavents the Scriptures authority.
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You mean you feel it “circumvents” your interpretation of Scripture, right? I mean, we’ve provided plenty of Scripture to support Catholic beliefs, as well as what other people have said (a criteria you have deemed valid).
 
ron77nyc said:
The Church came before the Bible but that does not excuse obedience to the Bible. Here are some apostolic teachings that the Church does not follow.

Jesus said: “you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition… in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men” (Matthew 15:6,9).Jesus was referring to tradtions of men - these were human customs as were those mentioned by Paul in Col 2:8 - In Matt 15:6-9Jesus was condemning the “human traditions” of the Pharisees who were making pretended dedications of their goods to the Temple so that they could avoid using them to support their aged parents. By doing this they dodged the commandment to “Honour your Father and your Mother” (Exodus 20:12) These are NOT the instructions Jesus gave us to abide by Sacred Traditions that are not contrary to God’s commandments: "Do and observe what they, the Pharisees the leaders occupying the Chair of Moses tell you, but do not immitate their
(hypocritcal actions) (Mat 23:2-3). Of Sacred Tradition (that is ALL the truths) Paul, in 2 Thes 3:6 tells us “Live according to the Traditions we have passed on”. Also 1 Cor 11:2 states: “You have done well…maintaining the Traditions just as I passed them on to you”. NB - Sacred Traditions is always with a capital T and as you correctly stated above traditions of men is with a small t.

“You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it” (Deuteronomy 4:2). (This instruction is also repeated in Deut 12:32, Proverbs 30:6 and Revelation 22:18-19).The Word (Sacred Tradition) includes the Bible and the Oral Word - nothing may be added! All the truths were originally the Oral Word.

1 Cor 4:6 I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, brothers, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written, 2 so that none of you will be inflated with pride in favor of one person over against another. St Paul was referring to the OT and more importantly he says in 2 Thes 2:15 "Hold on to the Traditions you have been taught either by word of mouth or what is written?

Have you never heard what St Jerome said “Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ”.

I am surprised that you as a Catholic do not know the difference between Sacred Tradition and traditions of men!

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Please correct me if I’m not seeing this correctly.
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justasking4 said:
Which church is the church that Christ founded: the The Eastern Orthodox church or the Roman Catholic church?
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Ask St Peter, the first Pope of the Church, or as an alternate go to historical references and look at the list of names beneath St Peter leading up to the current Benedict, who by the way lives in Rome. Which Church do YOU think Christ founded? 🤷
 
justasking4 said:
Deal!

To keep it simple how about Gen 1:1,26, Isaiah 6:8;
For the deity of the Father- John 6:27, Eph 4:6
For the deity of Christ- Hebrews 1:8
For the deity of the HS- Acts 5:3-4
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We know that the Father, Son and H Spirit are all “deity” but please show me from scripture where they are shown to be part of the Triune God, three in one.:love:
 
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Opinions are like belly buttons…everybody has one but history is on the side of the RC Church…and you know it.🙂
 
ron77nyc said:
“You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it” (Deuteronomy 4:2). (This instruction is also repeated in Deut 12:32, Proverbs 30:6 and Revelation 22:18-19).
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Such as adding the word “alone” in Romans 3:28 and taking away 7 books from the Old Testament?
 
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Cinette:
The Catholic faith is built upon papal infallibility, tradition and the word. Maybe you and a handful of others are clear on these teachings but most Catholics are not.
 
ron77nyc said:
The Catholic faith is built upon papal infallibility, tradition and the word.
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And so much more!
ron77nyc said:
Maybe you and a handful of others are clear on these teachings but most Catholics are not.
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There are a lot more Catholics knowledgeable about their faith than you give credit. Granted, there are many, many, many Catholics ignorant about their faith.
 
Craig_Kennedy said:
Sola scriptura simply means that the divinely inspired, infallible and inerrant scriptures - properly interpreted in their historical and theological context - are the supreme standard of authority in determining doctrine and truth…
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This position is not tenable, in that the Scriptures themselves refute this statement. Inspired author St. Paul tells you otherwise as recorded in his first epistle to Timothy 3:15. It’s the Church that does this. Fittingly, the only proper interpreter will tell you your statement is incorrect as well. What interpreter is guaranteed to have the charism of infallibility in teaching God’s Word? Is there a Protestant somewhere that is guaranteed to be infallible?
 
Lampo said:
Such as adding the word “alone” in Romans 3:28 and taking away 7 books from the Old Testament?
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This is not a Protestant vs Catholic arguement. All churches have erred in following the bible.
 
Lampo said:
And so much more!

There are a lot more Catholics knowledgeable about their faith than you give credit. Granted, there are many, many, many Catholics ignorant about their faith.
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Can you tell me how many infallible statements there are and what they are? If not can you show me where to find them?
 
ron77nyc said:
This is not a Protestant vs Catholic arguement. All churches have erred in following the bible.
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All non-Catholic “churches” have erred by not being in sync with God’s Word, including the Scriptures, as they have taught their interpretations.
 
justasking4 said:
Where did Jesus or His apostles ever teach such a thing? Chapter and verse please.
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You said we had a deal but you then wanted to give me homework and evading a direct answer.

So I will do my best to respond to YOUR question - I will keep my side of the deal and this doesn’t include homework.
Where did Jesus or His apostles ever teach such a thing? Chapter and verse please.(this was in reference to the St Augustine quote regarding salvation to be found in the CC)

“The pillar and foundations of the truth is the Church” 1 Tim 3:15

The leader of this true Church of Jesus shown in Matt 16:16-19, is described thus “You are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven…” obviously it is important to belong to this Church to be saved! The Church Jesus established! What else!

This answer is just a repetition because I have seen it on other posts. Granted they did not quote St Augustine but this is implicit.

Now you are free to roll around and avoid my question because I knew that this would happen
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ron77nyc said:
This is not a Protestant vs Catholic arguement. All churches have erred in following the bible.
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Protestant vs Catholic… YES it is! There are just two options for christianity in this world either Catholic or not Catholic (protestant)

Where has the Catholic Church ever erred in following the bible. The Church now, not it’s believers.
 
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