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[jlhargus]

4073. petra 4074 >>

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a (large mass of) rock
Original Word: πέτρα
Transliteration: petra
Phonetic Spelling: (pet’-ra)
Short Definition: rock

Word Origin
a prim. word
Definition
a (large mass of) rock
NASB Word Usage
rock (10), rocks (3), rocky (2).

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rock.

Feminine of the same as Petros; a (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively) – rock. [/SIGN]

[SIGN]4074. Petros 4075 >>

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“a stone” or “a boulder,” Peter, one of the twelve apostles
Original Word: Πέτρος
Transliteration: Petros
Phonetic Spelling: (pet’-ros)
Short Definition: Peter

Word Origin
a noun akin to petra, used as a proper name
Definition
“a stone” or “a boulder,” Peter, one of the twelve apostles
NASB Word Usage
Peter (150), Peter’s (5).

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Peter, rock.

Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than lithos); as a name, Petrus, an apostle – Peter, rock. Compare Kephas. [/SIGN]

I am aware that some say Jesus spoke in Aramaic and in that language the same word ke′pha is used in each instance. BUT, let it be noted that in his expression “on this rock” Jesus used a feminine demonstrative pronoun, translated “this,” which he would not have done had he meant that Peter is the rock on which his congregation was to be built. It was, no doubt, because this feminine demonstrative pronoun

made it apparent that Jesus intended to distinguish between Peter and the rock on which his congregation was to be built that Matthew when translating into Greek used two different nouns, Petros and petra. (Incidentally, the evidence indicates that Matthew first wrote his gospel in Hebrew and then himself translated it into Greek.) We cannot imagine Matthew’s being so careless as to use two different nouns if Jesus had not intended to make any distinction. And so we have a modern literal translation of Jesus’ words as follows: “You are Peter [Petros, masculine], and on this rock-mass [petra, feminine] I will build my congregation.”—Matt. 16:18,

The fact is that Peter did not even continue to take the lead, not to say anything of headship! As soon as the apostle Paul was chosen we find him coming to the fore, in the record of Acts. Peter is mentioned only once in that book after the twelfth chapter, and throughout the whole book of Acts less than one half as often as is Paul. **When the apostles and older men met at Jerusalem to discuss points of Christian teaching and practice, it was James, the half brother of Jesus, who presided. In summing up the matter he said: “My **decision [not even our decision, much less Peter’s decision] is not to trouble those from the nations who are turning to God.”—Acts 15:19,

Nor can the fact that Jesus three times commanded Peter to feed his sheep be used to argue that Peter was given headship. It was but fitting, in view of Peter’s having three times denied his Lord, that Jesus should three times ask him if he loved him and then tell him to feed his sheep and lambs. That Peter did not consider his position as shepherd as unique is seen from his words at 1 Peter 5:1-4

AS STATED BEFORE…
Paul wrote several of his letters from Rome during the time that Peter was supposed to have been there. Yet in not one of these does he make any reference to Peter’s being in Rome. …And in the letter Paul wrote to the Christian congregation at Rome he sends greetings to twenty-six, and, in all, makes mention of thirty-five Christians, but does not mention Peter. Could Paul have thus ignored Peter if Peter had been in Rome, and pope at that? Unthinkable! Indicative of the weakness of the case of Peter’s having been in Rome is the applying of Babylon to Rome at 1 Peter 5:13.

I believe you are now trying to convince yourselves However, compare ( Mt 13:10,11)
Also, I agree there were somethings they didn’t fully understand but it wasn’t time
(John 16:12-13)

But*, Everything went in one ear and out the other.?* The conferring of leadership
upon Peter? I find that highly unlikely.

Now about your question "Why does the WT have a succession of presidents and governing body, plus congregation ministers? as opposed to my comment

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continued

JL: I’ll cut your canned WT remarks with a simple answer. Fact is Jesus spoke Aramaic and would have said to Peter. You are Kepha and on this kepha I will build my Church. In English, You are Rock and on this rock I will build my Church.

 

[TristanCross]

Wow. This thread is just horrible. I mean, none of you know how to quote correctly…

jlhargus, That’s completely based on speculation.

 

[jlhargus]

I knew I would come back one last time…

First off we agree wholeheartedly about Peter. Notice this excerpt:

*** w77 7/15 p. 440 The Apostle Peter—Why So Loved by Many ***
Why do so many of us especially love Peter? It might be said that it is because of Peter’s “humanness.” Helping toward this end doubtless is the fact that we know so much more about Peter than about any of the rest. Endearing us to him is his warm, ardent nature. With it went an impulsiveness, at times even impetuousness. He was quick to transmit thought and feeling into actions, something that ever so many of us are prone to do.,
…We must not overlook the two fine letters that Peter wrote and which contain so much valuable information and encouraging admonition, especially to all who suffer for righteousness’ sake. These letters cause us to appreciate Peter still more. Truly the apostle Peter was a most lovable person, greatly used by his God and his Master, in spite of his weaknesses. What an encouragement his life is to all who try hard to follow their Master even as Peter did!—1 Pet. 2:21.

Now, it is true Isaiah did speak of “keys” But, then so did Jesus. Notice:

TRUE, the Bible uses the term “key” to symbolize authority, government, and power. Eliakim, elevated to a position of trust and honor, had “the key of the house of David” put upon his shoulder. (Isa 22:20-22) In the Middle East, in more recent times, a large key upon a man’s shoulder identified him as a person of consequence or importance. Anciently, a king’s adviser, entrusted with the power of the keys, might have general supervision of the royal chambers and might also decide on any candidates for the king’s service.

In the angelic message to the congregation in Philadelphia the exalted Jesus Christ is said to have “the key of David,” and he is the one “who opens so that no one will shut, and shuts so that no one opens.” (Re 3:7, 8) As the Heir of the covenant made with David for the Kingdom, Jesus Christ has had committed to him the government of the household of faith and the headship of spiritual Israel. (Lu 1:32, 33)

By his authority, symbolized by “the key of David,” he can open or shut figurative doors, or opportunities and privileges.—Compare 1Co 16:9; 2Co 2:12, 13.

Jesus gave us a clue to what the keys open up when he said to the Jewish Pharisees: “Woe to you who are versed in the Law, because you took away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not go in, and those going in you hindered!” (Luke 11:52) The keys, then, would have something to do with unlocking knowledge.They would unlock something that had been previously locked up for centuries. They would have to do with the sacred secret of God, his administration of the universe by his heavenly kingdom. (Rom. 16:25; Col. 1:26, 27) While faithful men of ancient times had looked forward to the coming of the Messiah and his kingdom, it was never understood by them that associated with him would be men taken from earth to heaven to be heavenly kings and priests. The apostle Paul explains the purpose of this sacred secret at Ephesians 1:9-12; 3:5, 6.

Since even the faithful prophets of old did not have this knowledge, when was it first opened up? When were the keys used and how many of them were there? In speaking of the sacred secret, notice that the apostle says that a feature of that secret was “that people of the nations should be joint heirs and fellow members of the body and partakers with us of the promise in union with Christ Jesus through the good news.” (Eph. 3:6)

The “us” here would be Paul and his fellow Christian Jewish associates. He speaks here additionally of people of the nations as others to whom this knowledge would be opened. So there were THREE keys of the Kingdom, keys that unlocked knowledge. FIRST, the Jews had the opportunity unlocked to them of entering into the heavenly kingdom and, SECOND, the Samaritans, AND the THIRD the Gentiles were later invited to this great privilege.

**NOTICE WHEN AND HOW THE SCRIPTURES BACK THIS INTERPRETATION:: **

First, a questiuon: Does the use of the word “key” in Jesus’ statement to Peter indicated that Peter would have the privilege of initiating a program of instruction that would open up special opportunities with respect to the Kingdom of the heavens?

Different from the religious leaders of that time, Peter clearly did use divinely provided knowledge to help persons to ‘enter into the kingdom,’ AGAIN, the first was on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E…, when Peter, under inspiration, revealed to a gathered multitude that Jehovah God had resurrected Jesus and exalted him to His own right hand in the heavens and that Jesus, in that royal position, had poured out holy spirit on his assembled disciples. As a result of this knowledge and acting upon Peter’s exhortation, “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit,” about 3,000 Jews (and Jewish converts) took the step that led to their becoming prospective members of “the kingdom of the heavens.” Other Jews subsequently followed their example.—Ac 2:1-41.

On another occasion Peter and John were sent to the Samaritans, who had not received the holy spirit even though they had been baptized. However, the two apostles “prayed for them” and “went laying their hands upon them,” and they received holy spirit.—Ac 8:14-17.

The third occasion of Peter’s being used in a special way to introduce persons into privileges as Kingdom heirs was when he was sent to the home of the Gentile Cornelius, an Italian centurion. By divine revelation Peter recognized and declared God’s impartiality as regards Jews and Gentiles and that people of the nations, if God fearing and doers of righteousness, were now as acceptable to God as their Jewish counterparts. While Peter was presenting this knowledge to his Gentile hearers, the heavenly gift of the holy spirit came upon them and they miraculously spoke in tongues. They were subsequently baptized and became the first prospective members of “the kingdom of the heavens” from among the Gentiles. The unlocked door of opportunity for Gentile believers to become members of the Christian congregation thereafter remained open.—Ac 10:1-48; 15:7-9.

JL: Simple answer, however you slice it, whatever you call the keys, gospel, knowledge or whatever. Fact is Christ the king in David’s line who holds the keys by right as king has delegated the keys to his First Minister along with the authority of the keys. So if the keys are knowledge or scripture or whatever you name them. You still must be in agreement with that First Minister on knowledge or scripture or whatever the keys mean to you or you are in rebellion against the king.

 

[jlhargus]

Wow. This thread is just horrible. I mean, none of you know how to quote correctly…

jlhargus, That’s completely based on speculation.

JL: Well at lest you know what we are talking about. You will have to be more specific in your criticisms, I can’t read your mind. I will assume you are talking about Aramaic.

Jesus spoke Aramaic a Hebrew dialect. [Acts26:14 and we all having fallen to the earth, I HEARD A VOICE SPEAKING UNTO ME, and saying IN THE HEBREW DIALECT, Saul, Saul, why me dost thou persecute? hard for thee against pricks to kick!] {YOUNG’S LITERAL TRANSLATION Caps added by me}

[Jn1:42 and he brought him unto Jesus: and having looked upon him, Jesus saith, `Thou art Simon, the son of Jonas, thou shalt be called CEPHAS,’ (which is interpreted, A rock.)] {YLT}

Cephas, is a Greek transliteration of the Aramaic word KEPHA, which means ROCK in Aramaic the Hebrew dialect that Jesus spoke. Paul used Cephas=Rock, for Peter sever times, 1Cor1:23, 1Cor3:22, 1Cor9:5, 1Cor15:5 and Gal2:9.

[Mt16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, SIMON BARJONA: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.] {KJV caps added by me}

On the cross, our Lord is quoted in Aramaic, Mt27:46 & Mk15:34, “Eloi, Eloi, lamasabachthani?” My God My God, why have you forsaken me?

Mt5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, RACA, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. {KJV Caps added by me}