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Angainor
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I am.
I’m open to Catholicism too. Its not open to me. I’m not allowed to be Catholic.
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I’m open to Catholicism too. Its not open to me. I’m not allowed to be Catholic.
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montanaman
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How’s that? I hope it’s not because of this board’s Catholics’…ah…“exuberance” in defending the faith. At the end of the day, when that last “heretic” accusation has been hurled and, I hope, the last “Idolator” isult has been leveled, we’re still after the same thing.
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AquinasXVI
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I didn’t take the analogy that far.
All I’m proposing to the Sola Scriptura fans out there that if a one sheet of paper that can contain the Constitution needs HUMAN administration…what more a book compiled which contain many books within written in an approximate time span of 4000 years or so? Did Christ command the writing of a book and set it as sole the standard for education for salvation? Did Christ give a Table of Contents and said; once you’ve put this together, disband, for that is sufficient?
The proposition of SS is analogous or as ridiculous as the forefathers drafting the constitution and printing it and giving it to every American and leave them to their own application. That’s what SS has sadly done with the bible.
I hope you see this point.
in XT.
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AquinasXVI
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Angianor:
Please explain this?
in XT.
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NPS
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Let’s work through these simple questions:
1- Where in the bible does it say that one should rely strictly on the bible?
2-Assuming your examples to prove question #1 are true, why did God make everything regarding Sola Scriptura so frustratingly oblique? Indeed so oblique that no one thought of it until only a few hundred years ago?
As I wrote elsewhere:
Why do you suppose John didn’t write anything along the lines of:
“Amen, amen I say to you, there will be many letters and Gospels coming; Letters which will reach your towns to instruct you in the ways of God; These letters will be all you and your sons and their sons and their sons shall need for instruction; All peoples shall rightly infer their meaning because they are from God;”
???
3-Is there anywhere in the bible that it is written that there will be a visible church and a handing on of oral Tradition?
4-Would or would not have GOD known the mistake was being made to set up a very visible church with authority?
5-How did the bible come about?
6-If the whole idea of GOD’s ( ! ) was to make a bible–Why did the bible not come about until 300+ years later?
1- Where in the bible does it say that one should rely strictly on the bible?
2-Assuming your examples to prove question #1 are true, why did God make everything regarding Sola Scriptura so frustratingly oblique? Indeed so oblique that no one thought of it until only a few hundred years ago?
As I wrote elsewhere:
Why do you suppose John didn’t write anything along the lines of:
“Amen, amen I say to you, there will be many letters and Gospels coming; Letters which will reach your towns to instruct you in the ways of God; These letters will be all you and your sons and their sons and their sons shall need for instruction; All peoples shall rightly infer their meaning because they are from God;”
???
3-Is there anywhere in the bible that it is written that there will be a visible church and a handing on of oral Tradition?
4-Would or would not have GOD known the mistake was being made to set up a very visible church with authority?
5-How did the bible come about?
6-If the whole idea of GOD’s ( ! ) was to make a bible–Why did the bible not come about until 300+ years later?
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Giver
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I don’t make any claim to know what church is Jesus choice. My name is on this post, but it wasn’t written by me.
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Eden
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Post #550.
By the way, do you believe WWII was a Just War?
Do you own the computer that you are using?
Do you have a savings account?
I asked you this questions before based on statements you made about the Church and I haven’t gotten a response yet.
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Angainor
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Giver
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Second World War a just war? Christians were killing Christians, is that Just. Christians killing anyone is that Just?
Just think if all Christians at the time would have obeyed Jesus and not become killers, but in stead got down on their knees and prayed, who would have fought in that war. I believe Jesus would have stoped Hitler with out all the horror that accrued.
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Eden
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Giver, can you answer these, too?
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montanaman
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Man, as a self-proclaimed speaker for Jesus, you sure are a terrible prophet. You’d think that if you were going to spread the message–“give,” if you will–you’d at least answer a direct question.
Then again, maybe your frequent absences between posts is the answer. Surely you’re not using your OWN computer. You must be going to the public library to use one, right?
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onesimplemind
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The thing is that I can say that the Catholic Church is the one true Church.
You probably do many things that are all well and good and with good intention but, spreading error by telling people they can judge theology for themselves based on what they interpret from the Bible is opening up a huge Pandora’s Box.
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onesimplemind
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I am starting to notice a trend here among non-Catholics.
Come on this is your faith here, don’t you think that the church you go to is the one true church?
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onesimplemind
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Would he?
And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. Matthew 24:6
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AquinasXVI
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Have you done this and have been rejected? Or are you guessing?
There’s 150,000+ adults becoming catholic during the Easter Vigil Mass on April 15. All of which will come into the Church through the diocesan bishop’s happy approval.
So, unless you’ve investigated RCIA further, I think you’re way off on how welcome you’d be if you come to the point of coming in to the CC.
Thanks for answering.
in XT.
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Eden
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Jesus tells the apostles, “let him who has no sword sell his mantle and buy one” (Luke 22:36).
We are not to love violence, to revel in the deaths of innocents and we must promote peace whenever possible. But the Bible does not tell us to allow evil to remain unchecked.
The Old Testament which is also inspired by God states that there is “a time to kill” (Eccles. 3:3). Sometimes peace cannot come about without force. “How good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity!” (Ps. 133:1).
For instance, John the Baptist speaks about Roman soldiers(Luke 3:14). Look at Rom. 13:4, too.
catholic.com/library/just_war_doctrine_1.asp
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MrS
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Of course he would say no to you,… you can not come to Christ on your terms.
Now, if you were coming on Christ’s terms… that would eliminate the Sola’s, grace you with 7 sacraments, and prepare you for the Truth of John 6 (and open you to countless other sources of God’s Grace and Mercy
If God gives you what you want… it is His Wrath
But His Justice is giving you what you deserve.
Pray for His Mercy… the He give you what you don’t deserve.
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Giver
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My children build this computer, and we all us it. I don’t own anything of value. I rent a house. We have twenty-five dollars savings account only because my wife needed it to join the credit union.
Jesus showed me a vision of a community and that is the way I try to live. For thirty years I have lived week to week, raising four children, three of them graduated from college, the forth has Down Syndrome and hasn’t the ability to attend college. I own nothing of value, and the things I do have are tools.
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Pax
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You are once again either terribly uninformed or merely positing an idea to support your view. Anyone that knows anything about the history of WWII can tell you that during the period of Neville Chamberlain’s policy of appeasement tons of people were praying that Hitler’s aggression would stop. Nevertheless, Hitler took over Austria, the Sudetenland, and eventually the rest of Czechoslavakia. Slightly ahead of this, Mussolini took over Eithiopia. A lot of people were praying then too.
Of course the Japanese “unprovoked” surprise attack against the US also sent a lot of people into prayer. Prior to this, the Japanese attacks against Manchuria and Korea also initiated a lot of prayer as did the Japanese attacks in the Pacific islands.
Even with all of the prayer, self defense was an imperative. If you think otherwise you are simply in error. Moreover, on the thread on self defense your position was bull-dozed with scripture. You simply won’t admit it when you’re wrong.
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Giver
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A Christian who has been baptized with the Holy Spirit doesn’t interpret scripture alone.
(Hebrews 8:10-12) “No, this is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel when those days arrive-it is the Lord who speaks. I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. Then I will be their God and they shall be my people. There will be no further need for neighbour to try to teach neighbour, or brother to say to brother, ’Learn to know the Lord’. No, they will all know me, the least no less than the greatest, since I will forgive their iniquities and never call their sins to mind.”
(John 14:26) “but the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything and remind you of all I have said to you.”
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16) “These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God. After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us. Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually. A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men. As scripture says;’ Who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?’ But we are those who have the mind of Christ.”
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