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MrS
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nor can he do it with men who twist the scripture to their own destruction…
That is why Jesus gave us His Church (singular)
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That is why Jesus gave us His Church (singular)
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Pax
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The point is made…you own things which you apparently think Christians should not do. Obviously there is something wrong with your thinking.
I will give you another scripture to ponder that was not provided to you on the thread that discussed this matter of ownership where you attempted to make it sound like all of the early Christian were living on a commune and you said that they shouldn’t own a home or anything else. Please consider the following from Paul:
1 Thess 4:10-12
But we exhort you, brethren, to do so more and more, to aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs, and to work with your hands, as we charged you; so that you may command the respect of outsiders, and be dependent on nobody.
1 Cor 11:22
What! **Do you not have houses ** to eat and drink in?
1 Cor 11:33-34
So then, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another–if any one is hungry, let him eat at home–lest you come together to be condemned.
2 Thess 3:10-12
For even when we were with you, we gave you this command: If any one will not work, let him not eat. For we hear that some of you are living in idleness, mere busybodies, not doing any work. Now such persons we command and exhort in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work in quietness and to earn their own living.
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Pax
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Then why do you?
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MrS
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Maybe the parable should have been about each person rejecting his talents… not putting them to the best use for the Master.
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Giver
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Pax, once again you didn’t read what I wrote, or you refuse to acknowledge what I have written. I said if all Christians just obeyed Jesus and refused to kill anyone, and then got down on their knees and asked God. What Christians on all sides did was prepare to go to war, and then got down on their knees. You wonder why their prayers didn’t get answered? They couldn’t trust God or obey him, and you still wonder why God didn’t answer their prayers?
I am old enough to remember what went on, and I sure didn’t hear of any Christians who thought it was wrong to kill.
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Giver
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It is very, very sad when someone has been taught that they can’t even trust the leadings and teachings of Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
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MrS
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Thankfully the world has the infallible Catholic Church and its fallible leaders protected by the Holy Spirit… as Jesus promised.And the scriptures which the Holy Spirit guided Catholics to write say, among other great things…
He who hears you hears ME, and he who rejects you, rejects ME and the One Who sent Me.
When are you coming home?
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kujo313
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Thankfully the world has the infallible Catholic Church and its fallible leaders protected by the Holy Spirit… as Jesus promised.
“Fallible leaders”. If one of these “leaders” err, is their words followed or ignored? Can you name some instances?
“Fallible leaders”. If one of these “leaders” err, is their words followed or ignored? Can you name some instances?
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MrS
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of course they err… they are human
Jesus promise was not that they would be impeccible and never err. His promise (never recinded) was that the gates of hell would not prevail against His one Church founded on the Rock of Peter, and given the Keys to the Kingdom, and given the power of binding and loosing…
but, yeh, I don’t know any bishop who can tell me if the Red Wings will win the cup this year.
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kujo313
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Jehova’s Witnesses say that THEY are right, so do other religions.
“What they interpret from the Bible”? How hard is some of this stuff?
And why not judge theology for ourselves based and what we interpret from the Bible? Catholics did it, and still do.
Some “traditions” of the catholic religion come from one, single verse in the Bible taken completely out of context.
Yet, the catholic religion is right because the catholic religion says so, despite it contradicting the actions of the apostles.
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onesimplemind
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And you say you are right because you say so. There is one church that teaches the truth. Is it the Jehovahs witnesses, your church, mine, one of the 30,000 protestent churches? Someone has to be right based the command and promise of Jesus. Is it you?
And that brings me to a previous post…
…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation of the Bible, and if you or your church has the most correct understanding of Christian faith, and I would like examples of people from the death of the last Apostle to 1500 a.d. who have had an interpretation of the Scripture and an understanding of Christian faith that is closely in common with yours(or your church’s).
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CANman
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What is sad is when one takes every “revelation” received when reading Scripture as coming from the Holy Spirit. Therefore we have a fractured and split Christianity. How do you know that this “revelation” did not come from your own spirit subconciously wanting something to be true; or the evil spirit who can “transform himself into an angel of light”;
When I receive a “revelation”, I test it first against the rest of Scripture, then against all those giants (the Saints) that went before us ‘marked with the sign of faith’. It is not that we cannot trust our leadings, but we recognize our limitations as human persons. We can trick ourselves in believing things that aren’t true. And so we test those things agianst the deposit of faith.
To me it is quite pompous to assume everything we receive in our Scripture reading as a “revelation” from the Holy Spirit regardless of what Christianity previously taught.
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Eden
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You have a computer but not a car or a TV?
In the future, please do not quote the bible and condemn others for having possessions or saving for the future. Not only are you abusing the context but you are also being hypocritical.
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kujo313
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Someone has to be right based the command and promise of Jesus. Is it you?
And that brings me to a previous post…
…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation of the Bible
“Command and promise of Jesus.”
That clashes with catholic “tradition.” If the “tradition” does not agree with Scripture, then tradition MUST be true because the “pope” says so??
Again, I have to go back to where catholic tradition accepts Mary as its “mother”. Nowhere does it say that the origional apostles accepted her as their mother. BUT, since CATHOLIC TRADITION says in 1950 that Mary IS the mother of God, then that rule has to be true all the way back to the first century because somebody between the 2nd and 20th centuries said so.
The apostles didnt follow it, but somehow they didn’t have a clue according to everybody else. IF it WAS so important, even Paul would’ve mentioned it. After all, he was stoned almost to the point of death THREE TIMES. He would’ve wrote it somewhere.
Something of THAT importance should’ve been mentioned.
But not even once.
…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation
Me? Or is it the KJV, NIV, NASB or whatever?
Or can THIS answer your question for you:
Let’s just say, for arguement, that I invited you over and you accepted.
On my door, you see “No Smoking”. I let you in and I tell you that there is no smoking in my house. I even tell you that I don’t smoke and that I never did start because I don’t like it.
Yet, clearly seen in my house, is used ashtrays and an open pack of cigarettes on the table with a lighter.
We go to sit at my table and while we’re talking, I take out a cigarette and light it. I don’t just light it, I inhale it with ease and even blow smoke rings in the air like a pro.
Still, in your face, I tell you that I don’t smoke.
Jesus said on the cross, “behold your mother” and John takes Mary to HIS house and cares for her as if she was his own mother.
Yet, according to catholic tradition, Jesus “meant” to say that Mary is OUR mother.
Looking at the writings of the apostles, and in the entire book of Acts, we never see the apostles refering to Mary in any high honor at all.
WHAT??? HOW COULD THEY??? After Jesus told them to!
But, wait! Let’s look into the writings of Peter. Afterall, HE’S the first “pope”! Certainly HE should have it in there.
Nope. Not in there.
Maybe the apostles didn’t have a clue. Maybe there’s something they just simply “missed”, or “forgot”. Oops!
Or maybe Mary was “downplayed” because it wasn’t about her, or anybody else. It was about JESUS.
Catholic “tradition” has her as “Queen of Heaven”, “Queen of the Universe”, “Queen Mother”, and other titles that I could find if I did a Google search.
This catholic “tradition” is so far outside the box that she is concidered just a cosmic being as the Trinity.
Sorry, the Universe does not have a Goddess… except the catholic church.
Sola Scriptula? No. “Acts of the Apostles” or “ACTIONS of the Apostles.” Even the “traditions” of the apostles.
PLEASE don’t tell me that the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation apostles got it right.
And the “rock” that Jesus mentioned: it’s the declaration that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. He’s been called the cornerstone more than once in the Word.
So, my intrepretation of the Bible is just what is WRITTEN in it and what the apostles DID after Jesus explained things CLEARLY.
Mary is mentioned JUST ENOUGH in the Bible that we need to know and not take our focus off the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The “Door”. The “Gate”.
It ain’t rocket science.
And that brings me to a previous post…
…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation of the Bible
“Command and promise of Jesus.”
That clashes with catholic “tradition.” If the “tradition” does not agree with Scripture, then tradition MUST be true because the “pope” says so??
Again, I have to go back to where catholic tradition accepts Mary as its “mother”. Nowhere does it say that the origional apostles accepted her as their mother. BUT, since CATHOLIC TRADITION says in 1950 that Mary IS the mother of God, then that rule has to be true all the way back to the first century because somebody between the 2nd and 20th centuries said so.
The apostles didnt follow it, but somehow they didn’t have a clue according to everybody else. IF it WAS so important, even Paul would’ve mentioned it. After all, he was stoned almost to the point of death THREE TIMES. He would’ve wrote it somewhere.
Something of THAT importance should’ve been mentioned.
But not even once.
…I would like to know how you have the most correct interpretation
Me? Or is it the KJV, NIV, NASB or whatever?
Or can THIS answer your question for you:
Let’s just say, for arguement, that I invited you over and you accepted.
On my door, you see “No Smoking”. I let you in and I tell you that there is no smoking in my house. I even tell you that I don’t smoke and that I never did start because I don’t like it.
Yet, clearly seen in my house, is used ashtrays and an open pack of cigarettes on the table with a lighter.
We go to sit at my table and while we’re talking, I take out a cigarette and light it. I don’t just light it, I inhale it with ease and even blow smoke rings in the air like a pro.
Still, in your face, I tell you that I don’t smoke.
Jesus said on the cross, “behold your mother” and John takes Mary to HIS house and cares for her as if she was his own mother.
Yet, according to catholic tradition, Jesus “meant” to say that Mary is OUR mother.
Looking at the writings of the apostles, and in the entire book of Acts, we never see the apostles refering to Mary in any high honor at all.
WHAT??? HOW COULD THEY??? After Jesus told them to!
But, wait! Let’s look into the writings of Peter. Afterall, HE’S the first “pope”! Certainly HE should have it in there.
Nope. Not in there.
Maybe the apostles didn’t have a clue. Maybe there’s something they just simply “missed”, or “forgot”. Oops!
Or maybe Mary was “downplayed” because it wasn’t about her, or anybody else. It was about JESUS.
Catholic “tradition” has her as “Queen of Heaven”, “Queen of the Universe”, “Queen Mother”, and other titles that I could find if I did a Google search.
This catholic “tradition” is so far outside the box that she is concidered just a cosmic being as the Trinity.
Sorry, the Universe does not have a Goddess… except the catholic church.
Sola Scriptula? No. “Acts of the Apostles” or “ACTIONS of the Apostles.” Even the “traditions” of the apostles.
PLEASE don’t tell me that the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th generation apostles got it right.
And the “rock” that Jesus mentioned: it’s the declaration that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. He’s been called the cornerstone more than once in the Word.
So, my intrepretation of the Bible is just what is WRITTEN in it and what the apostles DID after Jesus explained things CLEARLY.
Mary is mentioned JUST ENOUGH in the Bible that we need to know and not take our focus off the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. The “Door”. The “Gate”.
It ain’t rocket science.
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kujo313
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Peter, yep, when he said that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. NOT the Peter that denied Jesus three times.
Also, I guess the Red Wings will win if some high-ranking catholic says so?
Is the pope a Wings fan? (He wears red and white alot. Mmmm!)
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Giver
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(Edited less than charitable remark) I said I own everything in common.
(Acts 2:44-45) “The faithful all lived together and owned everything in common; they sold their goods and possessions and shared out the proceeds among themselves according to what each one needed.”
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onesimplemind
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Pax
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Okay, true enough. If “every” Christian refused to kill anyone than Hitler wouldn’t have had a large enough army willing to wage his crazy expansionist war. This, however, would not have applied to the Japanese since they had very few Christians in their country.
Your argument fails because there are lots of people that are not Christians. Moreover, you really cannot argue that Hitler and his Nazis party were Christian. The fact is that wars happen and people have a right to defend themselves against aggressors. If you do not understand this fact and believe that the aggressor will not be an aggressor simply because his opponent is a Christian pacifist then you know little or nothing about what happened to man with the fall of Adam and Eve. Moreover, you know nothing of history.
I will say it once more. When the topic of self defense was discussed at length on a thread that you started, your point was refuted by scripture. You simply don’t know what you are talking about.
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Pax
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And what about all of the quotes I gave to you on this thread and the original one concerning this issue? Are they simply meaningless? Oh no, I remember now…you said that I simply dig up obscure scriptures to prove you wrong or something to that effect. Nice try but it simply doesn’t fly when placed along side the truth.
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Pax
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In common with whom…your immediate family? Give me a break…you are grasping at straws. Is your car registered in your name?
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