Sola Scriptura--now I get

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kujo313:
That deserves a whole new paragraph. Jesus, remember Him? Jesus said instead of focusing on the woman who bore Him and who fed Him: Mary, right? We’re talking about the SAME Mary? You’d better look into it. INSTEAD OF that, “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
I hate to break this to you, but this is another direct reference to Mary. She heard the Word of God and said YES! This verse is referencing Mary’s fiat. It is saying to be like Mary–hear the Word of God and obey it. 😉
 
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kujo313:
NO! Even if I was a living saint in your religion, I would never want followers or admirers. Follow Christ, admire Christ.
“Blessed” is the same used in the sermon on the mount. (kinda makes you feel cheap, doesn’t it?)
“God’s greatest”? Jesus didn’t show it. The apostles didn’t show it.
I give Mary credit for being unmarried AND pregnant: Took alot of guts; for saying “yes” to the Lord: “Rather,” (instead of thinking about the woman who gave birth to Jesus), “blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
That deserves a whole new paragraph. Jesus, remember Him? Jesus said instead of focusing on the woman who bore Him and who fed Him: Mary, right? We’re talking about the SAME Mary? You’d better look into it. INSTEAD OF that, “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Good example to follow. Jesus did, the apostles did.

Do what Jesus did: pick up your cross and deny yourself.

See? No rocket science.
This so funny!

Don’t you see when you are loving others you are really only loving Our Lord!

Don’t you understand that this is not rocket science either. It is really simple. They (the saints) are so much more closer to God than any of us are.

You really need to put your own selfish ways aside and try to do as Christ did. He loved his blessed Mother very much, If she was good enough for him shouldn’t she be good enough for you!

Also in your quote "INSTEAD OF that, “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Are you trying to say that Mary never obeyed God?

I would like to see you try to prove that to me!

Monica
 
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Mickey:
It is not sinful to have worldly possessions. It is sinful to be attached to those worldly possessions.
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1 Tim 4:4 “For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected when received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by invocation of God in prayer.”

It is a fine line, however - especially in the good ole USA. And some are definitely called to “give it all up” in a vow of poverty…
 
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kujo313:
I give Mary credit for being unmarried AND pregnant: Took alot of guts; for saying “yes” to the Lord: “Rather,” (instead of thinking about the woman who gave birth to Jesus), “blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
That deserves a whole new paragraph. Jesus, remember Him? Jesus said instead of focusing on the woman who bore Him and who fed Him: Mary, right? We’re talking about the SAME Mary? You’d better look into it. INSTEAD OF that, “Blessed are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
Good example to follow. Jesus did, the apostles did.
Peace.

For starters, I want to thank you for the first portion of your post. You do not know how many Non-Catholics, particularly Non-Catholic Calvinists, state that Mary did not have a choice in the matter. It is pleasant to read a statement from a Non-Catholic who acknowledges Mary’s free asset to God.

Next, Luke 11:27-28 is often misinterpreted by many Non-Catholics. In Luke 11: 27-28, Jesus redirected the credit to Mary where it belonged. Jesus was saying that Mary’s attentiveness to God’s word, her obedience, was more important than her biological relationship with Jesus.

I think a good reference is Luke 10:17-20 (“And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying: Lord, the devils also are subject to us in thy name. And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven. Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you. But yet rejoice not in this, that spirits are subject unto you: but rejoice in this, that your names are written in heaven.”). Here, Jesus is redirecting the joy from the 72 disciples by basically saying, “on the contrary” or “rather” than rejoice that Satan and his minions are subject to the 72, but that their names are written in Heaven.

So it is in Luke 11:27-28: He is redirecting credit where credit is due: Mary’s faith and obedience to God.

Peace.
 
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jim1130:
Peace.

Next, Luke 11:27-28 is often misinterpreted by many Non-Catholics. In Luke 11: 27-28, Jesus redirected the credit to Mary where it belonged. Jesus was saying that Mary’s attentiveness to God’s word, her obedience, was more important than her biological relationship with Jesus.

I think a good reference is Luke 10:17-20 (“And the seventy-two returned with joy, saying: Lord, the devils also are subject to us in thy name. And he said to them: I saw Satan like lightning falling from heaven. Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you. But yet rejoice not in this, that spirits are subject unto you: but rejoice in this, that your names are written in heaven.”). Here, Jesus is redirecting the joy from the 72 disciples by basically saying, “on the contrary” or “rather” than rejoice that Satan and his minions are subject to the 72, but that their names are written in Heaven.

So it is in Luke 11:27-28: He is redirecting credit where credit is due: Mary’s faith and obedience to God.

Peace.
AMEN!
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Eden:
This is the way many cults like the Branch Davidians have begun. Are you saying you have been chosen as a prophet?
You sure have a nice way of asking questions. I am not telling you anything about what God has called me to, because you wouldn’t believe me anyway. By the way I don’t believe I’ll ever start or form any group of people, and I sure won’t have any followers.
 
thanks posters… had to run some errands,… and on my return

Lo and behold… Catholic posters rise to challange of the kujo

But really now… that challange is old, already addressed, and already accepted by non-Catholic thinkers.

Kujo, if you can’t join Jesus’ Church… at least join in on the one you belong to.

Like Jesus told the Pharisees and the Sadducees… if you only want to claim books of scripture that you like… at least believe in those books.

You worship as you want… we will continue to worship as Jesus wants.:yup:
 
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kujo313:
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Do what Jesus did:  pick up your cross and deny yourself.
See? No rocket science.
Sola Scriptura is not denying yourself, it actually is very arrogant to think that all one needs is tha Bible and his own brain to be able to understand the fundamental truth to Christianity.

If you want to deny yourself, start first by denying that you know everything about Christianity and that you can learn it all from YOUR interpretation of the Bible.

No rocket science there.
 
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MrS:
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Angainor:
If I showed up in a bishop’s office and said “Can I join up?” He would say “No.”

I don’t think there is any question about that.
Of course he would say no to you…
Of course, like I said, no question about that.

I have accepted that reality. My only point is that I would appreciate it if people would refrain from accusing me of not being “[post=1386533]open to Christ’s Church[/post]” or anything like that.

I would be first Protestant in line to join up if I thought the gatekeepers would let me in. (I would be second if Luther was still alive.)
 
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Philthy:
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Angainor:
*The Constitution is clear. The Federal government has no power to tell the states what laws they can or cannot enforce regarding abortion.

The states would be within their rights to ignore Roe v Wade and enforce thier anti-abortion laws.*
Really? Then why did the case come before the Supreme Court in the first place?
Beats me. It never should have gone to Federal Court.
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Philthy:
That’s the whole point - it came before the Supreme Court to make a ruling. And guess what - the decision was NOT UNANIMOUS. You are dreaming if you believe the issue regarding abortion is “clearly” addressed by our constitution. Pure fantasy to believe that the issue of right to life for an unborn or partially born infant is clearly articulated as being superceded by a mothers right to privacy.
I agree, pure fantasy.
 
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Angainor:
Of course, like I said, no question about that.

I have accepted that reality. My only point is that I would appreciate it if people would refrain from accusing me of not being “[post=1386533]open to Christ’s Church[/post]” or anything like that.

I would be first Protestant in line to join up if I thought the gatekeepers would let me in. (I would be second if Luther was still alive.)
Sorry bud. I still do not follow this. Please explain how is it that you know for sure you’re not welcome. Because it’s an open door policy…of course after a good discernment process to make sure that you know what you’re getting into.

in XT.
 
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MrS:
You worship as you want… we will continue to worship as Jesus wants.:yup:
“You worship God in your way and I in His.” (Cardinal Manning)
 
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AquinasXVI:
Sorry bud. I still do not follow this. Please explain how is it that you know for sure you’re not welcome. Because it’s an open door policy…of course after a good discernment process to make sure that you know what you’re getting into.
Are you being serious? Do you really think I would be allowed to be Catholic?

MrS [post=1387062]doesn’t seem to think so[/post]. Who should I believe?
 
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montanaman:
I guess since there’s only a finite amount of love and admiration in the universe, you’d better quit loving your parents or family and focus it all on Jesus.
Actually, I love Jesus more than anybody. He said that if I love my mother or father more than Him, I’m not worthy of Him.
I love my family BECAUSE I love Jesus.
 
JSmitty2005 said:
“You worship God in your way and I in His.” (Cardinal Manning)

1 Timothy 2:8

I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

Acts 2:1-4; 13-15;17; 21; 40; 46

1 When the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord[a] in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
13 Others mocking said, “They are full of new wine.”
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.
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  17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
   That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
  Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
  Your young men shall see visions,
  Your old men shall dream dreams.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.

40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”

46 So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart.

Acts 4: 5-12

5 And it came to pass, on the next day, that their rulers, elders, and scribes, 6 as well as Annas the high priest, Caiaphas, John, and Alexander, and as many as were of the family of the high priest, were gathered together at Jerusalem. 7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, “By what power or by what name have you done this?”
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
 
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kujo313:
Actually, I love Jesus more than anybody. He said that if I love my mother or father more than Him, I’m not worthy of Him.
I love my family BECAUSE I love Jesus.
And now you have a powerful understanding of our love for Mary, the mother of Christ, our Savior. If we are to honor our own mothers, how much more so should we honor the woman whose “yes” gave us the Savior?
 
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montanaman:
And now you have a powerful understanding of our love for Mary, the mother of Christ, our Savior. If we are to honor our own mothers, how much more so should we honor the woman whose “yes” gave us the Savior?
It depends. Give your defination of “honor”.
 
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kujo313:
It depends. Give your defination of “honor”.
Uh uh. I’m not going to play Clintonian sophistry games. What I will say is that it’s NOT attributing divinity to someone/thing.

Mary–not divine.
Mary–not God.
Mary–not the Creator.

Worship–for God alone.
 
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kujo313:
You REALLY need to get with other people from your religion. How can you ignore them? Statues, paintings, scapulars and rosaries. They run to see Mary in the grilled cheese sandwich, holding a painting. Asking for Mary to save them from hellfire.

The Old Testament is a model for how we’re supposed to be after the Messiah has come:
The Lamb was sacrificed for our sins. A Lamb “without spot or wrinkle.” The “first born” Lamb.
The Old Testament does NOT tell us to concentrat on the lamb, or Lamb’s, mother. Nowhere does it say to pay special attention to the lambs mother. (Baaa!)

Sure, YOU may be a “Christ-only” Catholic, but there are millions of “Maryologists” out there that the catholic religion claims as its own.

I’ve read the history. Some people in history was thinking too much and too hard. They analyzed it too closely and for too long.
Again…uhm…We dont worship Mary. I will give ya a little personal info here. I practice the Sacred Heart of JESUS devotion. Look it up and see what it is about. At this point in my life I have more thoughts of Jesus/God during the day than I do about sex. Now, that is pretty extraordinary for a man. You have some personal hang ups about the church. I am sure of this. Please, as a brother in Christ, I am asking you to drop the snide remarks about Catholics worshipping anything but God Almighty. Thank you. You can take this opportunity to show the fruits of the Lord in your life.
 
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Angainor:
Are you being serious? Do you really think I would be allowed to be Catholic?

MrS [post=1387062]doesn’t seem to think so[/post]. Who should I believe?
Yes, I’m serious. When you say you’re not welcomed by the CC…that simply isn’t true. You may personally not welcome yourself but you are more than welcome as far as the CC is concerned. Granted, you’d have to be catechised and be humble enough to try and learn the dogmas and doctrine…and if you assent to these, then you are happily embraced.

It may sound like a surrender but in reality it’s liberation. Many protestants who come in invariably will say that upon understanding what the church teaches, it’s like they were set free. It’s a beautiful paradox.

in XT.
 
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