Sola Scriptura--now I get

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Angainor:
No not implicitly either.

Yes, I reject the authority of saints, popes, martyrs, doctors, and fathers. No, this in no way implies I think they have played no role in helping people to come to see Christian truths.
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But you accept the authority of yourself, being a sunday school teacher, and of other men in your faith community to define dogma and practice.
 
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Angainor:
Yes, I reject the authority of saints, popes, martyrs, doctors, and fathers. No, this in no way implies I think they have played no role in helping people to come to see Christian truths.
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Ignorance of history is to remain Protestant.

This is just plain sad Angainor.

in XT.
 
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St.Eric:
Here is a piece from the CCC. Our seperated brethren are not necessarily outside of Christ’s body:
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Philthy:
False accusation - The Church only decides in the affirmative who has died and gone to heaven by declaring them Saints. The Church never decides who has been excluded - even if they exclude you from membership of the Church on earth - you are still not being judged as excluded from the body of Christ…
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[thread=103432]psst.[/thread]
 
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St.Eric:
But you accept the authority of yourself, being a sunday school teacher, and of other men in your faith community to define dogma and practice.
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nay
 
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Angainor:
What authority is required to help someone see the truths of scripture?
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How about an authority that decided what should be in the New Testament.

So who is your authority?
 
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Angainor:
If you drop the “scare quotes” and an extraneous qualifier, you almost got it:We have our own magisterium consisting of myself (as a sunday scholl teacher) and the community that helps others to see the truth in scripture.

I ask you to make one more simple change of mindset. The magisterium is not ours (my protestant denomination’s) but ours (all of Christendom’s).

“We” includes all Christians.
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So if you don’t accept the authority of yourself and the faith community you belong to, what does the above quote mean then? You stated you have your own magesterium consisting of yourself and your faith community. You sem to be contradicting yourself.
 
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Angainor:
What authority is required to help someone see the truths of scripture?
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To you, your church is your authority. You have admitted as much. How did you know what you have come to know about Christianity? You either were taught by someone else or from the very first time you started reading the bible and investigating you formed your own interpretations and doctrines, making yourself the authority.
 
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St.Eric:
So if you don’t accept the authority of yourself and the faith community you belong to, what does the above quote mean then? You stated you have your own magesterium consisting of yourself and your faith community. You sem to be contradicting yourself.
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I was afraid I was getting myself into trouble by accepting your term “magesterium”. The word is barely comprehensible to me. Let me try again:
We [all Christians] have our own magisterium consisting of myself (as a sunday scholl teacher) and the community that helps others to see the truth in scripture.
This magisterium is in no way authoritative. It is the general understanding of Christian truths held by Christians. Christians use this understanding to help other Christians see Christian truths for themselves. The understanding of individual Christians can be incorrect.
 
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onesimplemind:
How about an authority that decided what should be in the New Testament.

So who is your authority?
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Does this “authority” have the other 8 gospels of Jesus Christ from the remaining 8 Apostles? All I read on this board is that this “authority” has got the teachings from the founding Apostles themselves. So by sacred oral tradition, the one true church should be able to “orally” tell the gospel according to the remaining Apostles since no manuscripts exist. If 4 Apostles had their accounts of Jesus ministry recorded in writing, then by the sacred tradition, the remaining “oral” Gospels held by sacred tradition could be used to convert all protestants to the one true church. Just think, all this fuss over 4 manuscripts, while there are at least 7 or 8 sacred traditon “oral” gospels that could dispel any question of the one true church and what she teaches.

You all say Jesus never told anyone to write the gospels. So point me to a source so I can orally and audibly hear the other gospels from the remaining Apostles that passed on sacred oral tradition. You know they had a gospel as well as Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, so, can I hear them please?
 
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St.Eric:
How did you know what you have come to know about Christianity? You either were taught by someone else or from the very first time you started reading the bible and investigating you formed your own interpretations and doctrines, making yourself the authority.
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It was a little of both, actually, but that is a very biased way of phrasing it. I would say rather that people helped me to see the Christian truths in the bible.
 
With an unbroken line of Apostolic ordaining of the laying of hands, there has gotta be some sacred oral tradition gospel accounts passed down from the remaining apostles themselves.
 
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geno75:
Does this “authority” have the other 8 gospels of Jesus Christ from the remaining 8 Apostles? All I read on this board is that this “authority” has got the teachings from the founding Apostles themselves. So by sacred oral tradition, the one true church should be able to “orally” tell the gospel according to the remaining Apostles since no manuscripts exist. If 4 Apostles had their accounts of Jesus ministry recorded in writing, then by the sacred tradition, the remaining “oral” Gospels held by sacred tradition could be used to convert all protestants to the one true church. Just think, all this fuss over 4 manuscripts, while there are at least 7 or 8 sacred traditon “oral” gospels that could dispel any question of the one true church and what she teaches.

You all say Jesus never told anyone to write the gospels. So point me to a source so I can orally and audibly hear the other gospels from the remaining Apostles that passed on sacred oral tradition. You know they had a gospel as well as Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, so, can I hear them please?
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You might also try exploring here:

earlychristianwritings.com/alphabetical.html
 
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Angainor:
I was afraid I was getting myself into trouble by accepting your term “magesterium”. The word is barely comprehensible to me. Let me try again:
We [all Christians] have our own magisterium consisting of myself (as a sunday scholl teacher) and the community that helps others to see the truth in scripture.
This magisterium is in no way authoritative. It is the general understanding of Christian truths held by Christians. Christians use this understanding to help other Christians see Christian truths for themselves. The understanding of individual Christians can be incorrect.
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“magesterium” means teaching authority.
 
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Angainor:
The Encyclopedia explanation is somewhat longer. I wish it would have said “teaching authority”. 👍
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You need to read it again. The last sentence of the first paragraph:

"Finally with regard to the organ of tradition it must be an official organ, a magisterium, or teaching authority. "
 
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