Sola Scriptura--now I get

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G.K. Chesterton:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.”
 
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St.Eric:
G.K. Chesterton:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.”
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Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine,
There’s always laughter and good red wine.
At least I’ve always found it so.
Benedicamus Domino!

Hillaire Belloc

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St.Eric:
G.K. Chesterton:

“Idolatry is committed, not merely by setting up false gods, but also by setting up false devils; by making men afraid of war or alcohol, or economic law, when they should be afraid of spiritual corruption and cowardice.”
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I think this man needs to be canonized a saint!
 
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onesimplemind:
If it were not for the seriousness of the situation you described, seeing someone Bible thump with God would be something.
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Well… that would be something.:nope:

However, if we can challange an angel from heaven, I don’t see why we should be hesitate to question Benedict.
 
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Angainor:
Well… that would be something.:nope:

However, if we can challange an angel from heaven, I don’t see why we should be hesitate to question Benedict.
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No angel of Heaven possesses the keys to the Kingdom nor were any of them renamed “Rock” nor were they given the authority to bind and loose nor were they given the promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail.
 
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JSmitty2005:
I hearby say, declare, and define that all posters involved with the thread entitled “Sola Scriptura–now I get” are required, without exception, to read the following link in its entirety before further posting. Refusal to do so will result in the penalty of excommunication. 😛

geocities.com/militantis/solascriptura.html?200617
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I have seen this in the past and have reread it per your… ahem… request. 🙂

As the first line indicates, the argument is fine-tuned for fundamentalists and evangelicals. Being neither of those, it does not entirely fit as an argument against [post=1397913]my postition[/post]. It would take a whole thread to respond to it point-by-point in detail, but here is the abbreviated version:
  1. Agreed
  2. St. Paul both commends and commands the keeping of oral tradition. In 1 Corinthians 11:2, for instance, we read, “Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep my ordinances as I have delivered them to you.”
Agreed. Anything outside of what Paul delivered to the Corinthians is out.
  1. Agreed
  2. This speaks of Judicial Authority, which is a whole different subject.
5a) Agreed
5b) Delete interpreter and insert teacher and its OK. (I don’t know why the author mixed terms in the first part of his point with the second part of his point.)
  1. Agreed
  2. Agreed
  3. Circumstasial evidence at best.
  4. Settling disputes with councils is just fine, so long as the settlements agree with the gospel of the Apostles. 👍
  5. Agreed
  6. Agreed
  7. Agreed
  8. Agreed
  9. Agreed
  10. Agreed
  11. Agreed
  12. Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine but a discipline
  13. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people.
  14. Agreed
  15. This one is interesting. You can correct me if I am wrong, but according to my source*, the 4th century cannon, special attention was called to the deuterocanonical’s special status in the prefaces. It wasn’t until 1546 at the Council of Trent that it was decreed that the Old Testament included them.
  16. This is simple Ad Hominem.
*Introduction to The New Oxford Annotated Apocrypha.
 
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JSmitty2005:
No angel of Heaven possesses the keys to the Kingdom nor were any of them renamed “Rock” nor were they given the authority to bind and loose nor were they given the promise that the gates of Hell would not prevail.
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I would have no quarrel with anyone renamed “Rock”.
 
Angainor said:
21) This is simple Ad Hominem.
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I don’t think that #21 was intended to be a personal attack. It’s recognized as historical fact by both Catholics and Lutherans that Father Martin was overscrupulous and basically had a nervous breakdown.

PS - will you let me send you that book?
 
Everything I have read indicates that Christ and the apostles used the Septuagint.
 
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St.Eric:
Actually it is historical fact that is corroborated by secular historians who are not Catholic.
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Ad Hominems can be facts, that’s not the point.

To attack the individual for who he is does nothing to prove that he was wrong.
 
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montanaman:
Non sequiters are also logical fallacies…
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Just what are you trying to say?

Do you think that proving Martin Luther had emotional problems somehow disproves sola scriptura?
 
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Angainor:
Just what are you trying to say?

Do you think that proving Martin Luther had emotional problems somehow disproves sola scriptura?
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actually, disproving sola scriptura (and fide too for that matter) is quiet easily accomplished when one has (1) an open mind and (2) has addressed the question of authority.

Luther rejected authority, exercised an ill-formed conscience, and displayed his personal problems for all historians to study.

But it is in addition to this, that he had emotional problems.

His errant theology is a fruit of his disorders, scrupulosity(?) being one of the most prevelant.
 
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MrS:
Luther rejected authority, exercised an ill-formed conscience, and displayed his personal problems for all historians to study.

But it is in addition to this, that he had emotional problems.

His errant theology is a fruit of his disorders, scrupulosity(?) being one of the most prevelant.
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What does any of this have to do with Sola Scriptura?
 
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Angainor:
What does any of this have to do with Sola Scriptura?
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The fact that Luther created this theology of “Sola Scriptura” and is also believed to have been mentally disordered. Being scrupulous can cause the mind to pervert teachings about faith to find mental peace.
 
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Angainor:
Just what are you trying to say?

Do you think that proving Martin Luther had emotional problems somehow disproves sola scriptura?
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I think it’s funny that some people will quote Martin Luther ONLY when it supports them. When he speaks against, they speak agianst him.
 
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Angainor:
What does any of this have to do with Sola Scriptura?
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Quite a bit considering the foundation of Protestantism is a fruit of some 16th century guy’s emotional problems and not from God.
 
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kujo313:
I think it’s funny that some people will quote Martin Luther ONLY when it supports them. When he speaks against, they speak agianst him.
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Glad you noticed the quote. 👍 Did you get it? Martin Luther has no reason to mince words about it, yet he concedes you got the Bible from the Catholic Church.
 
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Eden:
Glad you noticed the quote. 👍 Did you get it? Martin Luther has no reason to mince words about it, yet he concedes you got the Bible from the Catholic Church.
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Got the Bible from the writings.
 
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