Sola Scriptura--now I get

[Eden]

kujo313:

Got the Bible from the writings.

I don’t know what this means.

 

[kujo313]

Eden:

I don’t know what this means.

Um, people wrote down stuff, you see. And somebody gathered up those writings. Catholics didn’t write them.

 

[Catholic29]

kujo313:

Um, people wrote down stuff, you see. And somebody gathered up those writings. Catholics didn’t write them.

So those people who wrote down the Scriptures, and gathered them together into the Bible weren’t Catholic. Can you prove this?

 

[montanaman]

kujo313:

Um, people wrote down stuff, you see. And somebody gathered up those writings. Catholics didn’t write them.

“Somebody?” “People?” Heh.

Actually, the Bible was written by members of what would later be CALLED the “Catholic” Church, “later” being just a few decades away, actually.

Welcome to the study of history.

 

[kujo313]

“Somebody?” “People?” Heh.

Actually, the Bible was written by members of what would later be CALLED the “Catholic” Church, “later” being just a few decades away, actually.

Welcome to the study of history.

I think they prefer to be called “Christians”.
Catholics call themselves “catholics” before “christians”. I just saw on the History channel about antipopes.

Talk about taking Christ out of Christmas…

 

[MrS]

kujo313:

I think they prefer to be called “Christians”.
Catholics call themselves “catholics” before “christians”. I just saw on the History channel about **antipopes. **

Talk about taking Christ out of Christmas…

are we talking about Luther again?? … he certainly was anti-Pope as is his errant theology on the solas - all three of them

 

[MrS]

kujo313:

I think they prefer to be called “Christians”.
Catholics call themselves “catholics” before “christians”. I just saw on the History channel about antipopes.

Talk about taking Christ out of Christmas…

I contend that NOT ONE protestant denomination will celebrate anything this Saturday… and you dare to suggest Catholics take Christ out of Christmas???

I contend that protestants have more interest in Easter and virtually none in Holy Thursday or Saturday,… and not much in Good Friday… and you dare to suggest Catholics are typed by the History channel??

Oh by the way… so you don’t have to look it up… Saturday marks the remembrance of the greatest event in the “History” of mankind, the Feast of the Incarnation.

but then… it is only the Catholic Church which has consistently held that life begins at conception… and using sola scriptura you probably "don’t get it".

 

[Giver]

MrS:

I contend that NOT ONE protestant denomination will celebrate anything this Saturday… and you dare to suggest Catholics take Christ out of Christmas???

I contend that protestants have more interest in Easter and virtually none in Holy Thursday or Saturday,… and not much in Good Friday… and you dare to suggest Catholics are typed by the History channel??

Oh by the way… so you don’t have to look it up… Saturday marks the remembrance of the greatest event in the “History” of mankind, the Feast of the Incarnation.

but then… it is only the Catholic Church which has consistently held that life begins at conception… and using sola scriptura you probably "don’t get it".

(Galatians 4:10) “You and your special days and months and seasons and years! You make me feel I have wasted my time with you.”

 

[MrS]

(Galatians 4:10) “You and your special days and months and seasons and years! You make me feel I have wasted my time with you.”

Your weak attempt to take a verse out of context is the fruit of SS, once again… here is the text…

Catholic “special days and months and seasons” are Holy to God, and thus Holy for us…

Come on home and be a part of God’s plan

Chapter 4

1 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no better than a slave, though he is the owner of all the estate; 2 but he is under guardians and trustees until the date set by the father. 3* So with us; when we were children, we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe. 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6* And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir.

8 **Formerly, when you did not know God, you were in bondage to beings that by nature are no gods; 9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days, and months, and seasons, and years! 11 I am afraid I have labored over you in vain. **
12 Brethren, I beseech you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong;

 

[Church_Militant]

kujo313:

I think they prefer to be called “Christians”.
Catholics call themselves “catholics” before “christians”. I just saw on the History channel about antipopes.

Talk about taking Christ out of Christmas…

The early Christians called themselves Catholics too. In fact the name “Christian” was not a name that we chose for ourse;ves anyway was it? Acts 11:26 And they conversed there in the church a whole year; and they taught a great multitude, so that at Antioch the disciples were first named Christians. But it’s obvious that the bishop of the church at Antioch, Ignatius didn’t call us that. Look what he calls us.

CHAP. VIII.–LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP.

See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out[through their office] the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper(18) Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.

Letter to the Church at Smyrna

So the historical facts are that Catholic meant “Christian” long before the reformers tried to make it mean something else. But no one told you that did they? Ever wonder why?
Pax tecum,

 

[Giver]

MrS:

Your weak attempt to take a verse out of context is the fruit of SS, once again… here is the text…

Catholic “special days and months and seasons” are Holy to God, and thus Holy for us…

Come on home and be a part of God’s plan

Chapter 4

1 I mean that the heir, as long as he is a child, is no better than a slave, though he is the owner of all the estate; 2 but he is under guardians and trustees until the date set by the father. 3* So with us; when we were children, we were slaves to the elemental spirits of the universe. 4 But when the time had fully come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6* And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” 7 So through God you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son then an heir.

8 **Formerly, when you did not know God, you were in bondage to beings that by nature are no gods; 9 but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and beggarly elemental spirits, whose slaves you want to be once more? 10 You observe days, and months, and seasons, and years! 11 I am afraid I have labored over you in vain. **
12 Brethren, I beseech you, become as I am, for I also have become as you are. You did me no wrong;

All that in some way proved that Holy Days are from God?

 

[MrS]

Giver:

All that in some way proved that Holy Days are from God?

1- observing the days of the pagans was rebuked by Paul, specifically.

2- I would confirm that the Incarnation, Passion Week, Christmas, etc are from God… and it seems only Catholics welcome the opportunity to remember them.

3- I would also assume that anything truly Holy is from God. He honor Him by remembrance… the greatest way is in the Holy Mass. You ought to attend some day… and with a totally open mind you would see it is FULL of Scripture.

now… back to my complaint with you on this thread… you pulled a verse out of context, abused it, and became, in effect, your own interpreter of Scripture…

With Sola Scripture… you now don’t get it.

 

[Church_Militant]

(Galatians 4:10) “You and your special days and months and seasons and years! You make me feel I have wasted my time with you.”

And I will answer you with another verse from the same chapter and book to show that you have pulled it out of context in order to twist it’s meaning.

(Galatians 4:21) “Tell me, you that desire to be under the law, have you not read the law?”

So then Paul was writing to the Judaisers in that church who suddenly wanted to return to the Jewish law. This has nothing to do with the Catholic celebration of feasts at all. ALL of which are Christocentric and have nothing to do with the Jewish law.

Paul is even more clear on this in Colossians 2:16. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, "

Neither then will I or any of my Catholic brethren allow you to do so Giver.

However, I do notice something in the following verses that does sort of seem to apply to you in particular…

Since you proclaim that you have a personal revelation from God…
Colossians 2:18: Let no one disqualify you, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19: and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. :ehh:
Pax tecum,

 

[kujo313]

MrS:

are we talking about Luther again?? … he certainly was anti-Pope as is his errant theology on the solas - all three of them

I think i read somewhere where a “pope” was “antipope”

 

[MrS]

Church Militant:

And I will answer you with another verse from the same chapter and book to show that you have pulled it out of context in order to twist it’s meaning.

(Galatians 4:21) “Tell me, you that desire to be under the law, have you not read the law?”

So then Paul was writing to the Judaisers in that church who suddenly wanted to return to the Jewish law. This has nothing to do with the Catholic celebration of feasts at all. ALL of which are Christocentric and have nothing to do with the Jewish law.

Paul is even more clear on this in Colossians 2:16. "Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, "

Neither then will I or any of my Catholic brethren allow you to do so Giver.

However, I do notice something in the following verses that does sort of seem to apply to you in particular…

Since you proclaim that you have a personal revelation from God…
Colossians 2:18: Let no one disqualify you, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19: and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. :ehh:
Pax tecum,

here is the difference… Catholics have the Fathers, and 2000 years of Magisterium and Tradition, plus nearly as long a time with a Canon of Scripture…

Giver et al have nearly 500 years of errant sola doctrine… which perhaps they might want to celebrate as an unHoly day in the year 2017

 

[MrS]

kujo313:

I think i read somewhere where a “pope” was “antipope”

guess I should have added a to the post

Luther was anti-the-Pope

Further…any theology or person who rejects what Christ Himself established is an anti-Christ Yes?

 

[MrS]

Giver was replying to this thread a couple of minutes ago… and now he is gone…

Hope he didn’t giver up… I am curious about his verse selection and interpretation.

 

[JSmitty2005]

kujo313:

I think they prefer to be called “Christians”.
Catholics call themselves “catholics” before “christians”. I just saw on the History channel about antipopes.

Talk about taking Christ out of Christmas…

The History Channel…

“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name.” -St. Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.

 

[MrS]

JSmitty2005:

The History Channel…

“Christian is my name, and Catholic my surname. The one designates me, while the other makes me specific. Thus am I attested and set apart… When we are called Catholics it is by this appellation that our people are kept apart from any heretical name.” -St. Pacian of Barcelona, Letter to Sympronian, 375 A.D.

not acceptable :nope: … you are cheating… using a Saint from over 1100 years before SS was declared to be our only authority

 

[JSmitty2005]

MrS:

not acceptable :nope: … you are cheating… using a Saint from over 1100 years before SS was declared to be our only authority

This is true. Please forgive me.