Sola Scriptura Or Bible Alone Is False

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Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Today there are OVER 32,OOO non-cathloic churchof competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.

Just open up the Yellow Pages of your telephone book and see how many different denominations are listed, each claiming to go by the “Bible alone,” but no two of them agreeing on exactly what the Bible means.

We know this for sure: The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). God cannot lead people to contradictory beliefs because his truth is one. The conclusion? The “Bible alone” theory must be false.
 
Agreed. However, there are A LOT of scripture and tradition churches listed as well…🤷
 
Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Today there are OVER 32,OOO non-cathloic churchof competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.

Just open up the Yellow Pages of your telephone book and see how many different denominations are listed, each claiming to go by the “Bible alone,” but no two of them agreeing on exactly what the Bible means.

We know this for sure: The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). God cannot lead people to contradictory beliefs because his truth is one. The conclusion? The “Bible alone” theory must be false.
Yes but most of these churches agree to a set of ‘essentials’ namely the need for a personal relationship with God and the need to be born again. Do a google for ‘matters of indifference’.
 
Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Today there are OVER 32,OOO non-cathloic churchof competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.

Just open up the Yellow Pages of your telephone book and see how many different denominations are listed, each claiming to go by the “Bible alone,” but no two of them agreeing on exactly what the Bible means.

We know this for sure: The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). God cannot lead people to contradictory beliefs because his truth is one. The conclusion? The “Bible alone” theory must be false.
Bill your reasoning is so out of line on this. Bible alone doesn’t lead to contradictory beliefs. Improper interpretation of scripture is what leads to contradictory beliefs. Scripture alone simply means that on matters of faith, nothing including tradition cannot contradict nor override what scripture states. In other words you can’t tell me that believing in the assumption of Mary as an example is necessary for my salvation. Traditionally you may believe that event took place but scripture does not introduce that as a necessity for salvation. Otherwise what constitutes salvation would always be a moving target.
 
If we can get real personal, I have on a number of occasions pondered what church of the ones who support Apostolic Succession (call them the early historical churches perhaps) I would join if I were not a Methodist. I know there are a number of valid choices and most of the time it makes my head swim. I do not think I should blow off some of the smaller groups just because they are small. In fact, the road is less travelled…🤷
 
Bill your reasoning is so out of line on this. Bible alone doesn’t lead to contradictory beliefs. Improper interpretation of scripture is what leads to contradictory beliefs. Scripture alone simply means that on matters of faith, nothing including tradition cannot contradict nor override what scripture states. In other words you can’t tell me that believing in the assumption of Mary as an example is necessary for my salvation. Traditionally you may believe that event took place but scripture does not introduce that as a necessity for salvation. Otherwise what constitutes salvation would always be a moving target.
That definition doesn’t mesh with your example. Being absent in an explicit form doesn’t constitute contradiction or overriding.
Improper interpretation of scripture is what leads to contradictory beliefs.
And how do you know which interpretation is the correct one? Each of those 32,000 “Bible only” groups claim that their interpretation is the correct one – which one is right? And why?
 
That definition doesn’t mesh with your example. Being absent in an explicit form doesn’t constitute contradiction or overriding.

And how do you know which interpretation is the correct one? Each of those 32,000 “Bible only” groups claim that their interpretation is the correct one – which one is right? And why?
Anyone is stuck in that boat. How do I know if you are more correct than the other ones either? 🤷
There are several churches that claim tradition and scripture. We just add experience and reason to the mix in the UMC.
 
Anyone is stuck in that boat. How do I know if you are more correct than the other ones either? 🤷
There are several churches that claim tradition and scripture. We just add experience and reason to the mix in the UMC.
I look to Peter. When Jesus asked the Apostles who He was, not a one answered, no one but Peter. I look to Peter, who Jesus commissioned to lead and guide His sheep.
 
Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.
First, what do you define as Bible Alone?
Today there are OVER 32,OOO non-cathloic churchof competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.
Where do you get your figure 32,000?

Anyway, no matter what the figure is, correlation is not the same as causation. How do you prove causation here?
Just open up the Yellow Pages of your telephone book and see how many different denominations are listed, each claiming to go by the “Bible alone,” but no two of them agreeing on exactly what the Bible means.
Yeah, the number in my phone book is a little less than 32,000. Does your phone book have 32,000 denominations?

Anyway, whatever the number is, how do you know that each goes go “Bible alone”? And that gets back to what do you define “Bible alone as”?
We know this for sure: The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). God cannot lead people to contradictory beliefs because his truth is one. The conclusion? The “Bible alone” theory must be false.
Well maybe all of the 32,000 denominations that your phone book has also believe in the deity of Christ. Does that mean that the deity of Christ is false? By your logic of equating correlation with causation, it must be.
 
I look to Peter. When Jesus asked the Apostles who He was, not a one answered, no one but Peter. I look to Peter, who Jesus commissioned to lead and guide His sheep.
If it were as easy as that…
It isn’t. :confused:
There are lots of churches with apostolic succession and in the two books he may have wrote, he does not give me any insight. If it were such a slam dunk, there would not be all these churches with apostolic succession.
I just read Eusebius tonight and that church looks as Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox as it does Catholic. Doctrinally who does it look more like? That is stickler for me.🤷
 
If it were as easy as that…
It isn’t. :confused:
There are lots of churches with apostolic succession and in the two books he may have wrote, he does not give me any insight. If it were such a slam dunk, there would not be all these churches with apostolic succession.
I just read Eusebius tonight and that church looks as Oriental Orthodox or Eastern Orthodox as it does Catholic. Doctrinally who does it look more like? That is stickler for me.🤷
It should look that way. He wrote in an era before there was the Schisim.
 
Anyone is stuck in that boat. How do I know if you are more correct than the other ones either? 🤷
There are several churches that claim tradition and scripture. We just add experience and reason to the mix in the UMC.
LOL…well stated!
 
Dearly Beloved Bill,

I think that you rashly attribute the differences of opinions among Protestants to ‘Sola Sciptura’ - namely, the belief that the Holy Scripture is the only infallible rule of Christian doctrine.

The fault is not in the Scripture but in the human heart. We need to distinguish between two basic facts. Firstly, the Bible is perspicuous (clear, understandable) - it is not some mysterious book that cannot be understood by common ordinary Christians. Otherwise why would the apostles address their epistles to them rather than the magisterium? Secondly, the human nature is such that people can misunderstand even the simplest of matters. This is true of Christians – even the apostles were hard to understand! – and it is even more so in the case of unregenerate people whose hearts are darkened.

So, it is unfair to say that since Christians have disagreements between themselves, and since they study the same Bible, the Bible is not clear. The problem is not with the Bible but with unregenerate men who profess to be Christians, but are not.

Also, the apparent unity of the Roman Catholic Church is illusory, as any informed Catholic would know. The unity is structural and organizational, but there are serious divisions at all levels, especially between the more liberal and conservative Catholics. Take the charismatic movement for an example. In Protestant circles, Charismatics form separate denominations (and so the distinction from other denominations is obvious). Whereas in the Catholic church, the charismatic groups remain under the Roman umbrella. Their differences from non-charismatic Catholics are hidden though they are just as real as in Protestant churches.

So, what is the cause of the differences among Christians? First of all, Christians are disciples (students); we are still learning and we have not yet arrived to a full and mature understanding of the Scriptures (see Ephesians 4:13). Therefore one expects to find differences among God’s children. Secondly, Christians are not immune to error or the the deceptions introduced by false teachers. The apostle Paul had to correct the believers in Corinth, Galatia and Colosse for various errors. It is not any different today. Thirdly, and most importantly, the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God’s Word. Sometimes we find it hard to accept the teaching of the Bible because of practical implications we don’t like or simply because it humiliates our natural pride. Many people did not receive the words of Jesus because of fear of the Jewish leaders and social isolation. Sometimes we do not receive the teaching of the Bible, not because we don’t understand it, but because we are not willing to do so. There are differences because our beliefs and practices are not always consistent with our basic presupposition, namely, Sola Scriptura. We assert that the Bible is our only infallible rule of faith, and yet we sometimes misunderstand the Bible, or add, or take away, from the teaching of Scripture.

There is an analogous problem in the Roman Catholic Church. We find a similar constellation of opinions on any subject among the Catholic faithful, despite their ‘infallible’ magisterium and their rejection of sola Scriptura. For example, in a nationwide survey of fifteen hundred American Catholics,

The survey found significant gaps between individual values and the Roman Catholic Church’s structure and teachings. When asked to make a moral decision on several issues, 50% said in vitro fertilization procedures are not wrong, and 61% would not condemn artificial birth control. The church opposes both. Although the church also opposes the death penalty, Catholics were evenly split on the issue. However, 61% agreed with their church’s stand against stem-cell research that ‘entails destruction of human embryos’; 68% agreed, ‘that abortion is morally wrong under virtually all circumstances’; and 61% said ‘homosexual behavior’ is wrong. Nonetheless, 83% said it is wrong 'to discriminate against homosexuals. Most would let priests marry (54%), allow women to be ordained (53%), give the laity more leadership roles (72%) and make the church more democratic in its decision-making (62%)

(Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY 11/16/2001).

The problem is not limited to the laity. There are serious differences of opinion among priests and theologians as well, a truth no informed Catholic would dare deny. Among Catholic theologians right now they are still trying to interpret the meaning of the Vatican II documents. People who were there have disagreements on what Vatican II said!

Evangelicals consider the Bible as their highest authority while Catholics submit to the magisterium. In theory there is a unifying principle in both camps. In practice, we find an assortment of opinions and beliefs within both groups.

You might respond that the disagreements and discord among Catholics is not the fault of the Catholic authority since the teaching of the magisterium is plain enough. You might add that there is a need to teach Catholics more clearly to correct their misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine. You might also say that some Catholics are willingly disobedient to the teaching of the Church. In principle, the same is true for evangelical Christians.

The doctrinal differences among proffessing Christians are not due to our authority (the Bible) but due to the limitations and sinfulness of the (often times unregenerate) human heart.
 
Dearly Beloved Bill,

I think that you rashly attribute the differences of opinions among Protestants to ‘Sola Sciptura’ - namely, the belief that the Holy Scripture is the only infallible rule of Christian doctrine.

The fault is not in the Scripture but in the human heart. We need to distinguish between two basic facts. Firstly, the Bible is perspicuous (clear, understandable) - it is not some mysterious book that cannot be understood by common ordinary Christians. Otherwise why would the apostles address their epistles to them rather than the magisterium? Secondly, the human nature is such that people can misunderstand even the simplest of matters. This is true of Christians – even the apostles were hard to understand! – and it is even more so in the case of unregenerate people whose hearts are darkened.

So, it is unfair to say that since Christians have disagreements between themselves, and since they study the same Bible, the Bible is not clear. The problem is not with the Bible but with unregenerate men who profess to be Christians, but are not.

Also, the apparent unity of the Roman Catholic Church is illusory, as any informed Catholic would know. The unity is structural and organizational, but there are serious divisions at all levels, especially between the more liberal and conservative Catholics. Take the charismatic movement for an example. In Protestant circles, Charismatics form separate denominations (and so the distinction from other denominations is obvious). Whereas in the Catholic church, the charismatic groups remain under the Roman umbrella. Their differences from non-charismatic Catholics are hidden though they are just as real as in Protestant churches.

So, what is the cause of the differences among Christians? First of all, Christians are disciples (students); we are still learning and we have not yet arrived to a full and mature understanding of the Scriptures (see Ephesians 4:13). Therefore one expects to find differences among God’s children. Secondly, Christians are not immune to error or the the deceptions introduced by false teachers. The apostle Paul had to correct the believers in Corinth, Galatia and Colosse for various errors. It is not any different today. Thirdly, and most importantly, the sin remaining in the Christian heart opposes the plain teaching of God’s Word. Sometimes we find it hard to accept the teaching of the Bible because of practical implications we don’t like or simply because it humiliates our natural pride. Many people did not receive the words of Jesus because of fear of the Jewish leaders and social isolation. Sometimes we do not receive the teaching of the Bible, not because we don’t understand it, but because we are not willing to do so. There are differences because our beliefs and practices are not always consistent with our basic presupposition, namely, Sola Scriptura. We assert that the Bible is our only infallible rule of faith, and yet we sometimes misunderstand the Bible, or add, or take away, from the teaching of Scripture.

There is an analogous problem in the Roman Catholic Church. We find a similar constellation of opinions on any subject among the Catholic faithful, despite their ‘infallible’ magisterium and their rejection of sola Scriptura. For example, in a nationwide survey of fifteen hundred American Catholics,

The survey found significant gaps between individual values and the Roman Catholic Church’s structure and teachings. When asked to make a moral decision on several issues, 50% said in vitro fertilization procedures are not wrong, and 61% would not condemn artificial birth control. The church opposes both. Although the church also opposes the death penalty, Catholics were evenly split on the issue. However, 61% agreed with their church’s stand against stem-cell research that ‘entails destruction of human embryos’; 68% agreed, ‘that abortion is morally wrong under virtually all circumstances’; and 61% said ‘homosexual behavior’ is wrong. Nonetheless, 83% said it is wrong 'to discriminate against homosexuals. Most would let priests marry (54%), allow women to be ordained (53%), give the laity more leadership roles (72%) and make the church more democratic in its decision-making (62%)

(Cathy Lynn Grossman, USA TODAY 11/16/2001).

The problem is not limited to the laity. There are serious differences of opinion among priests and theologians as well, a truth no informed Catholic would dare deny. Among Catholic theologians right now they are still trying to interpret the meaning of the Vatican II documents. People who were there have disagreements on what Vatican II said!

Evangelicals consider the Bible as their highest authority while Catholics submit to the magisterium. In theory there is a unifying principle in both camps. In practice, we find an assortment of opinions and beliefs within both groups.

You might respond that the disagreements and discord among Catholics is not the fault of the Catholic authority since the teaching of the magisterium is plain enough. You might add that there is a need to teach Catholics more clearly to correct their misunderstanding of Catholic doctrine. You might also say that some Catholics are willingly disobedient to the teaching of the Church. In principle, the same is true for evangelical Christians.

The doctrinal differences among proffessing Christians are not due to our authority (the Bible) but due to the limitations and sinfulness of the (often times unregenerate) human heart.
Well said!
 
There is an analogous problem in the Roman Catholic Church. We find a similar constellation of opinions on any subject among the Catholic faithful, despite their ‘infallible’ magisterium and their rejection of sola Scriptura. For example, in a nationwide survey of fifteen hundred American Catholics,

The survey found significant gaps between individual values and the Roman Catholic Church’s structure and teachings. When asked to make a moral decision on several issues, 50% said in vitro fertilization procedures are not wrong, and 61% would not condemn artificial birth control. The church opposes both. Although the church also opposes the death penalty, Catholics were evenly split on the issue. However, 61% agreed with their church’s stand against stem-cell research that ‘entails destruction of human embryos’; 68% agreed, ‘that abortion is morally wrong under virtually all circumstances’; and 61% said ‘homosexual behavior’ is wrong. Nonetheless, 83% said it is wrong 'to discriminate against homosexuals. Most would let priests marry (54%), allow women to be ordained (53%), give the laity more leadership roles (72%) and make the church more democratic in its decision-making (62%)
If I may … You seem to be hard pressed for an analogy and the one you quote is a very poor one perhaps revealing a subtle lack of understanding of Catholicism or perhaps you desperately want to justify the fracturing within Protestantism. In any case the Catholics whom you mentioned as not agreeing do not leave the church and that’s very important point to have in mind if ever you want to get at another analogy.

Sure there are Catholics who left the Church to join existing Protestant churches or even starting new ones. If you must analogize you should quote this category. The ones that remain show they still agree and believe in the basic creed and practices of the church – those that matters that separate who are Catholics and who are not. Surely this is not the same as with the different churches in Protestantism.

I’ll move on to address on the examples you give. If a priest ever gets married he will be terminated in his priesthood. He either can continue to be an ole good Catholic and raise a family or if he does not agree with the Catholic Church anymore then he could leave her. And those personal opinion on whether gay is right or not, though the Vatican has a position on this, no one can force a Catholic to adopt the same thinking. Of course he will commit sin if he engages in acts of homosexuality but this does not make him a non-Catholic.
 
Although popular with many “Bible Christian” churches, the “Bible alone” theory simply does not work in practice. Historical experience disproves it. Each year we see additional splintering among “Bible-believing” religions.

Today there are OVER 32,OOO non-cathloic churchof competing denominations, each insisting its interpretation of the Bible is the correct one. The resulting divisions have caused untold confusion among millions of sincere but misled Christians.

Just open up the Yellow Pages of your telephone book and see how many different denominations are listed, each claiming to go by the “Bible alone,” but no two of them agreeing on exactly what the Bible means.

We know this for sure: The Holy Spirit cannot be the author of this confusion (1 Cor. 14:33). God cannot lead people to contradictory beliefs because his truth is one. The conclusion? The “Bible alone” theory must be false.
You are correct and the Bible plus the Roman Catholic church theory is also false.
 
I’ll move on to address on the examples you give. If a priest ever gets married he will be terminated in his priesthood. He either can continue to be an ole good Catholic and raise a family or if he does not agree with the Catholic Church anymore then he could leave her. And those personal opinion on whether gay is right or not, though the Vatican has a position on this, no one can force a Catholic to adopt the same thinking. Of course he will commit sin if he engages in acts of homosexuality but this does not make him a non-Catholic.
Thank you for the information. But this does not overturn the fact that there is just as much doctrinal and practical division in the Catholic Church - but clearly- just because it all remains under the umbrella of a Catholic profession and a regular mass attendance, you seem to pretend that it does not exist. Therefore it is clear that Catholics hypocritically blame the doctrine of sola Scriptura for all our divisions - when the fact is - your “infallible” teaching magisterium provides no real solution to division - but simply sweeps it under the rug. To deny this is to deceive yourself. I hope you can at least admit this obvious contradiction in the catholic apologetic methodology. Attacking sola Scriptura does nothing for your teaching magisterium. But thank you for your comments! 👍
 
Thank you for the information. But this does not overturn the fact that there is just as much doctrinal and practical division in the Catholic Church - but clearly- just because it all remains under the umbrella of a Catholic profession and a regular mass attendance, you seem to pretend that it does not exist. Therefore it is clear that Catholics hypocritically blame the doctrine of sola Scriptura for all our divisions - when the fact is - your “infallible” teaching magisterium provides no real solution to division - but simply sweeps it under the rug. To deny this is to deceive yourself. I hope you can at least admit this obvious contradiction in the catholic apologetic methodology. Attacking sola Scriptura does nothing for your teaching magisterium. But thank you for your comments! 👍
Wrong. The Catholic Faith is completely united. One either assents to the Faith or one is, to varying degrees of culpability, a heretic!
 
Wrong. The Catholic Faith is completely united. One either assents to the Faith or one is, to varying degrees of culpability, a heretic!
Same can be said of the Reformed Faith. Either you submit to what the Scriptures plainly teach about the Person and Work of Jesus Christ, the Doctrines of Grace, and All five solas - or you are - to varying degrees of culpability - a heretic. But the Reformed Christian Faith is completely united.
 
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