Sola Scriptura Seperating Us

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A true Christian knows his God. He then can use scripture to teach from. That’s how I see it. Not that it conflicts with what you said.

I’m just very skeptical that we are already trusting something that has been messed with by mankind (scripture) and then to trust more beliefs handed down and seemingly created by man. I know God must have something in place to show un-arguable truth if saught. I don’t want to trust history or any person saying “This is God” What do I do? Does God dispise this great respect I give him?

I’ll just keep praying. Thanks for all of your great answers. I still plan to read the links provided.
 
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eaglesfeather:
Does God dispise this great respect I give him?

I’ll just keep praying. Thanks for all of your great answers. I still plan to read the links provided.
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If you continue to study and pray, you will soon see that you cannot have a great respect for God and at the same time disrespect His Bride, the Church.
 
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eaglesfeather:
More questions

What do you mean by grounded in authority? Do you mean who/what is a legit source of truth?
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As you said, as long as sola scriptura exists we will have a great gulf between Protestants and Catholics. What he means by grounded in authority is that we need an authority to judge our interpretations by. We need to keep our interpretations inbounds of that authority.
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eaglesfeather:
Interpretation question:
Was the word of God not intended to be understood by anyone reading it? Or, at least the commands to us for how to live and worship?

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No, we can all read the scriptures and understand it if we study it enough. We need to keep in mind though what the Church has tuaght for the last 2000 years though. Take into account what the saints said of these passages.
 
E.E.N.S.:
If you continue to study and pray, you will soon see that you cannot have a great respect for God and at the same time disrespect His Bride, the Church.
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Unless you believe that the Church is made up of ALL Christians and THAT is what makes the Body of Christ. It’s not the institution that is the Church it is the Body of Believers. If you believe that then you are not disrespecting God or His Church.
 
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Singinbeauty:
Unless you believe that the Church is made up of ALL Christians and THAT is what makes the Body of Christ. It’s not the institution that is the Church it is the Body of Believers. If you believe that then you are not disrespecting God or His Church.
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Yeah, unless you believe the Body of Christ is divided in Truth, that is, it has many truths that contradict each other, and only about half of them realize and follow the authority given to Peter from Christ Himself, while the other half denounce the majority of what Christ said…then yes, I can see how you are right. :rolleyes:
 
E.E.N.S.:
Yeah, unless you believe the Body of Christ is divided in Truth, that is, it has many truths that contradict each other, and only about half of them realize and follow the authority given to Peter from Christ Himself, while the other half denounce the majority of what Christ said…then yes, I can see how you are right. :rolleyes:
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Who, besides non-Christians denounce the MAJORITY of what Christ said?
 
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eaglesfeather:
Who, besides non-Christians denounce the MAJORITY of what Christ said?
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The typical OSAS or sola fide Christians (because rejecting works, rejects a huge part of what Christ taught), the rejection to be subject to our authorites - espicially the Church (for Christ instituted and died for the Church), and many more who reject the sacraments (such as the necessity of the Eucharist, baptism, confession) as Christ taught these as well.

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eaglesfeather:
Who, besides non-Christians denounce the MAJORITY of what Christ said?
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Here’s one example:

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist?
 
Yes. I agree that sola scriptura is one of the major stumbling blocks separating christians from total unity. I also believe - as do others on this site, that the argument is more about submission to authority than anything else. Sola scriptura places the authority to interpret scripture on the individual. Hence, there are thousands of protestant denominations, each teaching a Gospel that is a little different from the next church.

I disagree with Singinbeauty’s comment that the Church is simply the invisible connection between all believers. That is only a partial truth. While it is true that all believers in Christ are joined to the Church (some imperfectly joined nontheles) the Church is also a real and tangible presence created by Christ. Only the Catholic Church holds all of the characteristics of the Church described in Scripture - the Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.

Read about it in the Catechism of the Catholic Church - for the Catholic position.
 
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Mickey:
Here’s one example:

Do you believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist?
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I do know there is something very special about it. Even many protestants say they don’t fully understand the significance.

Previously, I would have tried to debate that with how I understand what scripture says about it. But, I’m starting out fresh (and would prefer no debate in this one) I’m guessing there is a thread specifically on that topic.
 
I think this is a good point to insert a reminder that not all of us non-Catholic Christians actually believe in Sola Scriptura.
In my own Methodist tradition, we use the Wesley Quadrilateral (which old hands here will be 😉 thrilled to know I am not going to try to draw). We use Scripture, Tradition, Experience, & Reason.
Scripture= the Bible, obviously.
Tradition= Early Church Fathers, etc…
Experience=What has been the experience of Christians down through history? What do their writings tell us?
Reason=…well, reason. Generally, this is regarded aa a bit dodgy, but after all, some things just don’t make sense. (Doesn’t prove they’re not true; but maybe we need to look a little closer at the other 3 of the 4).

In other words, Sola Scriptura is not a universal protestant phenomenon; and Catholics are not the only ones who are looking at Tradition (& tradition) for understanding…Sometimes, this gets forgotten, & it can build up walls that didn’t need to be there…
(Carry on, y’all!)🙂
 
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Zooey:
I think this is a good point to insert a reminder that not all of us non-Catholic Christians actually believe in Sola Scriptura.

(Carry on, y’all!)🙂
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Yes, that is a good point.

Catholic question:
Should every belief be referenced or supported in scripture?
I know it says something about keeping traditions, but it just seems that would open the door for anything.
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eaglesfeather:
Yes, that is a good point.

Catholic question:
Should every belief be referenced or supported in scripture?
I know it says something about keeping traditions, but it just seems that would open the door for anything.
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There should also be a distinction made for the Magisterium. That is, who has ligitimate authority to interpret Scripture, Tradition, and even Experience.

Catholics would re-declare that only the Church Founded By Christ could possibly have this responsibility. So… regardless of the methods used to arrive at Truth, there can be no confidence if the declarations are merely man made.
 
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