Sola Scriptura - unifier?

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MT1926 said:
If you read the NT you will see that Jesus had to deal with the Sadducees and Pharisees differently. So when He dealt with the Sadducees He only quoted from the 5 books of the Torah, because that is all they would accept. As for the Pharisees He could quote from the first 5 books as well as the law and the phrophets, because that is what they accepted.
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Perhaps today the Lord would tell “traditionalists” to live up to the best intent of any universal tradition, and any sola scripturists to live up to best intent and universal understanding of scripture…challenge enough I think for the day., for a life.
 
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JonNC said:
I think it safe to say he knows more than you
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JonNC:
Do you have a source from Catholic teaching that supports your claim that sola scriptura is demonic?
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I never presumed To know more than the Holy Father, don’t pretend I did.

Sola Scriptura was anathematized as an heresy in the Council of Trent.
 
Most Christians are traditionalists at some level, even sola scriptura’s. The crucifixion of St Peter, Dec 25th is the birth date of Jesus, Luke wrote Acts, the universe is 6000 years old, etc. None of these things are explicitly stated, yet they are believed. Why? Because our parents and their parents and… said so.

That is tradition in a nutshell.
 
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sallybutler said:
Most Christians are traditionalists at some level, even sola scriptura’s
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Agree. I have often noted that great pains are taken by CC to show forth her doctrines and practices not just as not contrary to scripture, but as scriptural, just like at the first council.
 
mcq72 said:
I have often noted that great pains are taken by CC to show forth her doctrines and practices not just as not contrary to scripture, but as scriptural, just like at the first council.
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And this is important. It allows us to know why certain traditions form our faith.
 
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mcq72 said:
Well holders of SS are anathemized, not the doctrine itself. You can’t excommunicate a doctrine.
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My English is horrible, sorry for not being able To formulate my sentence properly
 
mcq72 said:
do you think if they had a council they would have abandoned their convictions on the canon ?

Didn’t seem to stop Jesus from treating both of them as His own, as “Jewish”.

Jesus and the apostles had all the books of our OT and more at their disposal, all with no formal ratification.
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Maybe I misunderstood what point you where trying to make. Could you please expand on and further explain what you mean when you say OT and their scripture is a prototype for the new.

I wasn’t seeing how them not having a set OT canon makes it a prototype for the New. Maybe I’m missing something?

God Bless
 
mcq72 said:
Perhaps today the Lord would tell “traditionalists” to live up to the best intent of any universal tradition, and any sola scripturists to live up to best intent and universal understanding of scripture…challenge enough I think for the day., for a life.
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Sorry I’m not following how anything you say here is a response to what I posted.

That being said…Your opinion is perhaps He would. Could you please point out in scripture where Jesus told anyone to live up to their “best intent” that would bring us to want to agree with this conclusion?

God Bless
 
LostSheep7 said:
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mcq72:
Well holders of SS are anathemized, not the doctrine itself. You can’t excommunicate a doctrine.
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My English is horrible, sorry for not being able To formulate my sentence properly
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Is that why you said sola Scriptura is demonic?? I really can’t believe the moderators let you get away with that. I don’t think it would take much to get suspended if one said that about a Catholic doctrine.
 
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LostSheep7 said:
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Wannano:
I really can’t believe the moderators let you get away with that.
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Go to any Protestant forum and see how they talk about the Catholic Church.
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And on the CARM post all the Catholics are complaining how uncharitable it is…and by the way I agree with them. This forum at least is supposed to be charitable. Why do you want to drag it down to the level of CARM?
 
Protestant argues to me that Acts refers to only being baptised in the name of Jesus. Did he not read Matthew 28:19 where Jesus himself said “Go ye therefore and make disciples of all nation’s baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit” ignorance
 
I have found one of the easiest of ways to blow up the idea of sola scriptura as unifier is to start a discussion on a topic of absolute and grave importance: is salvation permanent? (once saved, always saved). It is a critical question, yet pretty much every denomination is split on the topic.
 
LostSheep7 said:
Sola Scriptura was anathematized as an heresy in the Council of Trent.
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I’m not an expert at this level (compared with a theologian or church historian), but that’s the first I’ve heard of this.

Trent anathematised many of the reformers doctrines but as far as I can see (through google) not Sola Scriptura. Which is quite curious!

This link discusses the scriptures at Trent and the primary focus is on the content of bible, and makes no mention of anathemitising Sola Scriptura itself.


The closest to it:
Furthermore, in order to restrain petulant spirits, It decrees, that no one, relying on his own skill, shall,–in matters of faith, and of morals pertaining to the edification of Christian doctrine, –wresting the sacred Scripture to his own senses, presume to interpret the said sacred Scripture contrary to that sense which holy mother Church,–whose it is to judge of the true sense and interpretation of the holy Scriptures,–hath held and doth hold; [Page 20] or even contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers; even though such interpretations were never (intended) to be at any time published. Contraveners shall be made known by their Ordinaries, and be punished with the penalties by law established.
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In other words, private interpretation is condemned (but not anathematised).

I may be wrong, but I wait to be disproved.
 
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Referring to a teaching held by fellow Christians as demonic not only is rude but is not consistent with the teaching of V2 and recent popes.

I had written a post opposing your original post, but deleted it, since I didn’t want to get the thread off track.

Keep in mind I have written countless posts refuting SS. It seems to mean different things anyway to different people, and at different times. I suspect the biggest reason it lingers is because those who have a better approach come across as arrogant and condescending.
 
Wannano said:
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LostSheep7:
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mcq72:
Well holders of SS are anathemized, not the doctrine itself. You can’t excommunicate a doctrine.
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My English is horrible, sorry for not being able To formulate my sentence properly
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Is that why you said sola Scriptura is demonic?? I really can’t believe the moderators let you get away with that. I don’t think it would take much to get suspended if one said that about a Catholic doctrine.
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Someone has to flag it. I’ve been flagged a few times, and there really isn’t much redress afforded, so I don’t typically flag posts. Good Catholics like @Commenter usually respond.
 
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In the spirit of ecumenism and charity - perhaps “Sola Scriptura” as you understand it is indeed “demonic”. How would you describe the doctrine in your own words? We might be calling different concepts the same thing.
 
TULIPed said:
How would you describe the doctrine in your own words?
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The doctrine that describes the Holy Bible (the Protestant canon, by the way) as the sole and final authority regarding the doctrines of Faith, rejecting Holy Tradition and the Magisterium.
It destroys unit among Christians and the authority of the Holy Mother Church.
 
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