Sola Scriptura vs. the opposite of it. EOS (Exclusion of Scripture)

[Napsack]

It seems to me that many Catholics in an attempt to thwart out the idea of Sola Scriptura turn to being what I call EOS or Exclusion of Scripture. I see this in much of Catholic teaching and theology as did many of the Reformers. I just want to say that next time you accuse someone of adhearing to Sola Scriptura, you may very well may be practicing EOS.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

It seems to me that many Catholics in an attempt to thwart out the idea of Sola Scriptura turn to being what I call EOS or Exclusion of Scripture. I see this in much of Catholic teaching and theology as did many of the Reformers. I just want to say that next time you accuse someone of adhearing to Sola Scriptura, you may very well may be practicing EOS.

I disagree.

God bless

 

[JonNC]

I disagree.

God bless

So do I. I really take umbrage when people of one faith community do this to another. As a Lutheran I could charge other protestants of EOS (exclusion of scripture) when they deny the real presence, or confession and absolution, or any number of things.
My suggestion is read the doctrinal documents of a particular faith community, then, before making such a charge, read Luther’s description of the 8th commandment:

The Eighth Commandment.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
We should fear and love God that we may not deceitfully belie, betray, slander, or defame our neighbor, but defend him, [think and] speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything.

Jon

 

[SSTeacher]

It seems to me that many Catholics in an attempt to thwart out the idea of Sola Scriptura turn to being what I call EOS or Exclusion of Scripture. I see this in much of Catholic teaching and theology as did many of the Reformers. I just want to say that next time you accuse someone of adhearing to Sola Scriptura, you may very well may be practicing EOS.

If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

Biblically,
Mick

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

So do I. I really take umbrage when people of one faith community do this to another. As a Lutheran I could charge other protestants of EOS (exclusion of scripture) when they deny the real presence, or confession and absolution, or any number of things.
My suggestion is read the doctrinal documents of a particular faith community, then, before making such a charge, read Luther’s description of the 8th commandment:

Jon

I considered offering more than just my original two word comment, but this individual wasn’t looking for a discussion. The OP sounded frustrated to me and offered only opinion, so I offered mine, which was I disagree with his opinion.

God forbid Jon someone actually attempting to read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about Scripture before making such a comment:

I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE

101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63

102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64

You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate syllables; for he is not subject to time.65

103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she venerates the Lord’s Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread of life, taken from the one table of God’s Word and Christ’s Body.66

**104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, “but as what it really is, the word of God”.67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68 **

With words like veneration, and us finding nourishment and strength in Scripture; I await someone starting the,* “The Catholic Church Worships the Scriptures”* thread

God bless

 

[JonNC]

I considered offering more than just my original two word comment, but this individual wasn’t looking for a discussion. The OP sounded frustrated to me and offered only opinion, so I offered mine, which was I disagree with his opinion.

God forbid Jon someone actually attempting to read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about Scripture before making such a comment:

With words like veneration, and us finding nourishment and strength in Scripture; I await someone starting the,* “The Catholic Church Worships the Scriptures”* thread

God bless

I thought “worshipping scripture” was what sola scripturists are accused of doing. Uh oh, more ecumenism!!

Jon

 

[Napsack]

I considered offering more than just my original two word comment, but this individual wasn’t looking for a discussion. The OP sounded frustrated to me and offered only opinion, so I offered mine, which was I disagree with his opinion.

God forbid Jon someone actually attempting to read what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about Scripture before making such a comment:

With words like veneration, and us finding nourishment and strength in Scripture; I await someone starting the,* “The Catholic Church Worships the Scriptures”* thread

God bless

Please…

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

Please…

I will leave this post till daylight and see if it turns to stone :jrbirdman:

God bless

 

[JonNC]

Please…

Napsack,
I think the point is, at least for me, that not everything boils down to all or nothing. My view, for example, of sola scriptura is not the view of American “evamgelicals”; that if its not in scripture,…

SS does not eliminate the need for, and yes, importance of tradition. By the same token, Catholic reliance on Tradition does not exclude the importance of scripture.

To say that Catholicism excludes scripture is just unsupportable, even if one disagrees with their interpretation of it.

Jon

 

[AshleyBelle]

Napsack… what is it that is really bothering you?

Did you start this post to vent frustration? If so, it might be much more fruitful to discuss what is really on your mind right now rather than lashing out like this.

 

[Napsack]

Napsack,
I think the point is, at least for me, that not everything boils down to all or nothing. My view, for example, of sola scriptura is not the view of American “evamgelicals”; that if its not in scripture,…

SS does not eliminate the need for, and yes, importance of tradition. By the same token, Catholic reliance on Tradition does not exclude the importance of scripture.

To say that Catholicism excludes scripture is just unsupportable, even if one disagrees with their interpretation of it.

Jon

I agree with you Jon. I think that maybe you didn’t realize my point. I understand personally that this is not at all a polarized issue. My point is that when Protestants and Catholics are discussing differences, one of the defenses many Catholics often will throw is that the Protestant suscribes to the position of Sola Scriptura (which is often not true). In return, the Catholic may completely disregard the Scripture that the Protestant is attempting to spotlight for the subject material at hand. It seems to happen all too often.

 

[ralphinal]

One of the major issues in these discussions is in defining what we are discussing. Sola Scriptura has no real meaning. It is more of a concept that more or less ranges from the Bible alone and no interpretation needed to the Bible as primary rule of faith, as interpreted by those in authority or using historical views.

As a CAtholic, I cannot pick up the Baptist Catechism and see what they teach and KNOW that every baptist preacher agrees. Some denominations have such nebulous statements of faith that true discussion with them is difficult.

The first thing that we need to do is to define what we are speaking about.

 

[SSTeacher]

One of the major issues in these discussions is in defining what we are discussing. Sola Scriptura has no real meaning. It is more of a concept that more or less ranges from the Bible alone and no interpretation needed to the Bible as primary rule of faith, as interpreted by those in authority or using historical views.

As a CAtholic, I cannot pick up the Baptist Catechism and see what they teach and KNOW that every baptist preacher agrees. Some denominations have such nebulous statements of faith that true discussion with them is difficult.

The first thing that we need to do is to define what we are speaking about.

I understand Sola Scriptura to be a Protestant doctrine which declares that the Bible alone as interpreted by each individual believer is the sole rule of faith.

All other understandings are wrong.

Unilaterally,
Mick

 

[JonNC]

I agree with you Jon. I think that maybe you didn’t realize my point. I understand personally that this is not at all a polarized issue. My point is that when Protestants and Catholics are discussing differences, one of the defenses many Catholics often will throw is that the Protestant suscribes to the position of Sola Scriptura (which is often not true). In return, the Catholic may completely disregard the Scripture that the Protestant is attempting to spotlight for the subject material at hand. It seems to happen all too often.

So, you were venting. Ok. That means you were using hyperbole with the term EOS. Yes?

There are times when some Catholics do use the debate tactic: “you can’t believe this or do that cause its not in the Bible and you believe in sola scriptura.” Actually, they are talking about solo scriptura, or a caraciture of sola scriptura. Yes, it can be irritating.

Ralph, however, does make a valid point that ss can be a bit of a moving target. That is why I believe it is important for protestants to put in their profile what tradition they come from.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

I understand Sola Scriptura to be a Protestant doctrine which declares that the Bible alone as interpreted by each individual believer is the sole rule of faith.

All other understandings are wrong.

Unilaterally,
Mick

That’s not my understanding of classic SS, so I guess mine is wrong.

Jon

 

[MariaG]

I understand Sola Scriptura to be a Protestant doctrine which declares that the Bible alone as interpreted by each individual believer is the sole rule of faith.

All other understandings are wrong.

Unilaterally,
Mick

I particularly like the “unilaterally” Mick. Or should I say Pope Mick

 

[SSTeacher]

I particularly like the “unilaterally” Mick. Or should I say Pope Mick

Nah, Maria, I’m fed up with being my own pope. That’s why I’m looking into the truth claims of the Catholic Church.

Inquiringly,
Mick

 

[SSTeacher]

That’s not my understanding of classic SS, so I guess mine is wrong.

Jon

Jon,

You’ve inserted the prefix, classic. That’s the first time the word has appeared so I’d like to ask you to enlarge upon your understanding of classic Sola Scriptura.

Accommodatingly,
Mick

 

[JonNC]

Jon,

You’ve inserted the prefix, classic. That’s the first time the word has appeared so I’d like to ask you to enlarge upon your understanding of classic Sola Scriptura.

Accommodatingly,
Mick

The Book of Concord talks of SS this way:

1. First , then, we receive and embrace with our whole heart] the Prophetic and Apostolic Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments as the pure, clear fountain of Israel, which is the only true standard by which all teachers and doctrines are to be judged.

btw, while I’ve never considered myself my own pope, as you call it, I do agree with the feeling that something more authoritative is missing in my Church.

Jon

 

[MariaG]

Nah, Maria, I’m fed up with being my own pope. That’s why I’m looking into the truth claims of the Catholic Church.

Inquiringly,
Mick

Oh yeah! I could sense that from your post!

I will say as someone who gave up being their own pope, WOW! what a relief!

It is so nice not to have to have to discern for yourself which interpretation of scripture is right, especially when the different interpretations are given by very nice and seemingly Godly men. Ironically, I can say I was lead to the Catholic Church through scripture alone and the Holy Spirit

May the Holy Spirit lead you and guide you to all truth! (or rather continue to lead and guide )
God Bless,
Maria