Sola Scriptura vs. the opposite of it. EOS (Exclusion of Scripture)

[Peter_J]

It is how it is done. There are non-Catholics on this forum who have an honest disagreement with the idea of the authority of the Catholic Church and can discuss this disagreement in a charitable manner. Those posters however know what they are disagreeing with. Even though they do not affirm the Catholic belief, they understand what is really taught and what they are denying.

It is the posters who think we worship the Pope, believe he is a god, and that he can never sin (or any other misrepresentation of what we believe) who end up having a difficult time on this forum. They also seem to have an inability to discuss even the days weather charitably, let alone our differences.

The question is; which one are you?

By the way welcome to the Forums. I hope you stick around and have not already been scared off.

God bless

I don’t want to disagree with you, per se, but I do feel that a few words of clarification are in order. Otherwise, I think we’d be in danger of furthering the kind of disagreements that you’re talking about.

The way I would put it is, people (without singling out Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox, etc.) can be charitable or uncharitable; and, in particular, people who frequent a discussion forum of a church or denomination different than their own (whether it be Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, etc.) may or may not “get along” on that forum – depending, among other things, on their own charitableness (or lack thereof) and their understanding (or lack thereof) of others’ beliefs.

 

[JonNC]

I am not familiar with this notion of a difference between the Lutheran meaning of SS and the Evangelical meaning of it, but I would be interested to learn it. In what are they different?
Thanks and God bless you.

Here is the article.

modernreformation.org/default.php?page=printfriendly&var1=Print&var2=19

Jon

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

I don’t want to disagree with you…

Peter,

I did not see where you disagreed with me. So I guess we can still be friends… For now

God bless

 

[Peter_J]

I did not see where you disagreed with me.

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I thought my post was pretty self-explanatory.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

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I thought my post was pretty self-explanatory.

I see what you were saying; I do agree Catholics can be, and have been, uncharitable and that it is not solely a characteristic of protestantism.

My post though was explaining why a non-Catholic would be banned for denying the Authority of the Church. They are not banned for denying it, they are banned in how they go about expressing their denial.

God bless

 

[Lapell]

THe “Cliff’s Notes” version is that Lutherans view scripture as the final norm, so we can accept the Creeds, the first 6 councils, use our Lutheran confessions, accept many of the traditions of the Church, etc., so long as they do not contradict scripture.
While many American evangelicals view scripture as excluding these things. The better term for this view is solo scriptura.
There is a good article on this, I’ll try to find it.

Jon

Hi, Jon, and thank you for the information. It’s certainly good not to generalize when it’s applied differently whether you are in one Protestant denomination or another. I never thought, though, that there would be differences in the way Sola Scriptura would be applied. I thought it would be applied the same way, so thank you Mary G and JonNC for the light you shed on this.

 

[Lapell]

Sorry! I meant MariaG, not Mary G. Man, is my memory become terrible!!!

 

[laverita]

Have you ever read the play “A Man for All Seasons”, by Robert Bolt, about St. Thomas More?

MORE: God’s my god … But I find him rather too subtle . . . I don’t know where he is nor what he wants.
ROPER: My god wants service, to the end and unremitting; nothing else!
MORE: Are you sure that’s God? He sounds like Moloch.

More: And when we stand before God, and you are sent to Paradise for doing according to your conscience, and I am damned for not doing according to mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?"

 

[Peter_J]

More: And when we stand before God, and you are sent to Paradise for doing according to your conscience, and I am damned for not doing according to mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?"

BTW, I was going to post this on another thread, but …

One of our Protestant friends pointed out to me that the CCC and Fides et Ratio (Pope John Paul II) both tell Catholics to be “docile” to the magisterium.

And he was right, of course, that they say that, but that isn’t all that they say. (If that was all, then the title Fides et Ratio – Faith and Reason – wouldn’t make a lot of sense.)

Or, to take an extreme example, if someone was docile to the authority of Pope Michael I, then obviously more docility isn’t the answer. He/she first needs to be set straight as to where the true magisterium can be found. (Again, faith and reason.)

 

[jlhargus]

That is why I believe it is important for protestants to put in their profile what tradition they come from.

Jon

JL: I agree I’ve found Catholics and most mainline Protestants proudly post their affiliation and this makes it much better to see where they are coming from. Those who don’t post their faith group, I have found, are hiding something. They like to critic others but don’t want their own faith scrutinized. My opinion and experience they can’t defend their particular denomination or so called non-denomination.