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ManOnFire
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What if I claim to be too weak to follow the 10 commandments and are therefore an awful Christian? Since Jesus paid for our sins, do you believe everyone is saved no matter what?
Sola Scriptura: What if I claim to be too weak to follow the 10 commandments?
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CopyKat
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I sure wish I knew the answer to that for certainty! As far as what I BELIEVE, well… I believe God is merciful and all knowing as to the state of our hearts. I don’t take that as a free pass though…
If you’re asking whether I believe that Jesus dying on the cross was sufficient for the expiation of all mankinds sins by that one act… NO, i DON’T… faith without works is a dead faith…
God Bless You
If you’re asking whether I believe that Jesus dying on the cross was sufficient for the expiation of all mankinds sins by that one act… NO, i DON’T… faith without works is a dead faith…
God Bless You
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Alix1912
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Not being able to follow the law is a failing of all Christians. That’s why Christ died to atone for our sins. You are not however always saved, you can turn your back on salvation and Christ. You have to ask for God to forgive your sins and through his Grace he will do so.
I’m confused about how you think “once saved always saved” and the failing to follow the 10 Commandments are linked with only Sola Scriptura
I’m confused about how you think “once saved always saved” and the failing to follow the 10 Commandments are linked with only Sola Scriptura
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wbthrower
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I think the OP is pointing out how sola scriptura’s claim of “once saved always saved” denies the propensity of humans to exercise free will.
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hn160
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Remember that no one is able to keep the Law, if you break one, you broke them all. Ii is your belief in Christ and what He done on the cross that saves you. We all are simul iustus et peccator.
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ManOnFire
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Since we all fail, and we know we all fail, what’s the motivation to try to live by the commandments if one knows one is already saved as long as one has faith?
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Pwrlftr
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Because that’s what God tells us He wants us to do. Isn’t that enough?
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GaryTaylor
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Misconception, your not automatically saved because you chose to be a Catholic and were Baptized and received the Sacrements etc.
Through Free Will you can then turn around and immediately lose your Salvation.
The Supernatural Infused Virture you recieve through Baptism must be preserved by “You” or it is lost. If you chose to ignore the teaching then you may fall victim to corrupt thinking of the devil.
To save our souls we have an obligation to keep the Faith. Faith is not a blind or vague concept it is very well defined. This infused virtuedoes not always remain in every baptised Soul. It many case’s it is lost. Some are not aware of their obligation to preserve it.
The basis of our salvation id our FAITH. It is impossible to please God without FAITH. While Faith alone is not enough it is absolutely necessary for salvation. If our Faith is taken from us or it is lost we cannot be saved unless we regain the Faith.
Faith empowers us to believe Gods teachings. Many obviously believe we can good on our own. Or any Good we have is not through the Grace of God. It would be easier to live without oxygen than to be good without Grace.
Many don’t understand our total dependance on Grace for ant=y goodness we have. And that we depend on it from instant to instant.
But you will come to understand this if you continue to follow the beaten path laid down for thousands of years.
You preserve your faith by constant use of Mass, Holy days of Obligation, Confession and Communion and daily recitation of Prayer.
God Bless, Gary
Through Free Will you can then turn around and immediately lose your Salvation.
The Supernatural Infused Virture you recieve through Baptism must be preserved by “You” or it is lost. If you chose to ignore the teaching then you may fall victim to corrupt thinking of the devil.
To save our souls we have an obligation to keep the Faith. Faith is not a blind or vague concept it is very well defined. This infused virtuedoes not always remain in every baptised Soul. It many case’s it is lost. Some are not aware of their obligation to preserve it.
The basis of our salvation id our FAITH. It is impossible to please God without FAITH. While Faith alone is not enough it is absolutely necessary for salvation. If our Faith is taken from us or it is lost we cannot be saved unless we regain the Faith.
Faith empowers us to believe Gods teachings. Many obviously believe we can good on our own. Or any Good we have is not through the Grace of God. It would be easier to live without oxygen than to be good without Grace.
Many don’t understand our total dependance on Grace for ant=y goodness we have. And that we depend on it from instant to instant.
But you will come to understand this if you continue to follow the beaten path laid down for thousands of years.
You preserve your faith by constant use of Mass, Holy days of Obligation, Confession and Communion and daily recitation of Prayer.
God Bless, Gary
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puzzleannie
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you are two weak. so am I. so is everyone. what does St Paul say–we can do nothing without Christ. The answers are in scripture it is true but how to apply it and live it is part of the living tradition of the Church from whence the written scripture emerged.
Sola scriptura doesn’t claim OSAS.
Sola scriptura is the practice of holding all teachers and teachings accountable to scripture, which is the final norm. So, in effect, as a practice, sola scriptura doesn’t “claim” anything.
And besides, OSAS and its parent teaching within the Calvinist TULIP is heterodox.
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babylonsfalling
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Not that you’re necessarily any worse than the rest of Christendom at following the 10 commandments and being a good Christian.
Hopefully, you were just using bad verbiage in that post.
Hi Gary,
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Agreed.
Aside from the nuanced dispute between “infused” and “imputed”, would you agree agree that our ability to “preserve” is wholly dependent on the help of the Holy Spirit? If so, then, agreed.
We definitely have an obligation to obey the will of God, though God understands our weakened state, and provides His grace through word and sacrament to make this possible.
Ok, though we recognize that it is by faith alone that we access grace.
In the understanding that here you have stated a mix of tradition, which may vary from communion to communion, and sacraments, yes.
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ManOnFire
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Maybe I need to clarify. I’m not talking about Catholicism. I have relatives who attend a non-denominational church. They claim to follow scripture only (word only vs word plus works). Scripture then seems to work for those who try, but what about those who don’t really try? Maybe I meant to say Sola Fides.
I can’t really respond to what your non-denom relatives say sola fide is, but sola fide does not exclude the requirement to obey God’s commands. Faith alone is the method by which we access justification. By grace alone through faith alone. But this in no way implies that faith can even exist alone, without good works.
James specifically tells us that faith without works is dead. And a dead faith is not a saving faith. And Galatians 5:6 says, For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity. This describes the kind of faith that avails before God - a faith that works through love.
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guanophore
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Not all of those who accept Sola Scriptura have also fallen into the heresy of Calvin’s TULIP.
What that means is that a person can believe Sola Scriptura and still recognize that it is possible for a person to be justified, then fail to be united with their heavenly inheritance.
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guanophore
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I think this notion, though, that we are unable to keep God’s commandments is one of the most damaging outcomes of the Reformation.
We can keep the commandments of God through the work of the HS within us, working in and through ourselves to please the father. We keep them just like all the OT saints kept them, by grace, through faith.
Yes, if we fall short,we have an advocate from the Father. But the idea that we HAVE to sin is false.
Rather succinct, my friend. The Formula of Concord says:
*Accordingly, we also believe, teach, and confess that when it is said: The regenerate do good works from a free spirit, this is not to be understood as though it is at the option of the regenerate man to do or to forbear doing good when he wishes, and that he can nevertheless retain faith if he intentionally perseveres in sins. *
Jon
Its only damaging if it leads to the thought of, “why try”, that defeatism that Luther warned us against. Or, as this thread is about, “we don’t have to try”, the idea that He will save us regardless of whether we try or not, seek His help or not.
Have to? No. Will inevitably, Yes. And, as you say, that is why we have the advocate, as well as the sacraments He instituted to help us.
Jon
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Barbkw
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Where is the “Bible Alone” quoted in Sacred Scripture?
P.S. I listen to the protestant denominational preacher Hank Hanegraaff and his program on “The Bible Answer Man” on Bott Radio. He’s serving as a radio pope for the various denominations.
He’s had to become the “The Bible Answer Man” because there are so many varied - and in his view “heretical” - understandings and philosophies concerning the interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
In his way, Hanegraaff is attempting to develop a protestant denominational Magisterium based on his interpretation of Apostolic Tradition concerning Sacred Scripture.
I find that very interesting.
P.S. I listen to the protestant denominational preacher Hank Hanegraaff and his program on “The Bible Answer Man” on Bott Radio. He’s serving as a radio pope for the various denominations.
He’s had to become the “The Bible Answer Man” because there are so many varied - and in his view “heretical” - understandings and philosophies concerning the interpretation of Sacred Scripture.
In his way, Hanegraaff is attempting to develop a protestant denominational Magisterium based on his interpretation of Apostolic Tradition concerning Sacred Scripture.
I find that very interesting.
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guanophore
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Yes, this is an apt qualification brother. I think too many people stop reading Eph. 2 at v. 9, and fail to appreciate the impact of v. 10 predicated upon 8 &9.
Eph 2:8-10
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God - 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
When people start ranting that no one was able to keep the Law, I always think of the parents of John the Baptist.
Luke 1:5-6
5 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechari’ah, of the division of Abi’jah; and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
I am sure they also fell short at times, and used the provisions that were under the Law to seek atonement as God had proscribed.
How were they able to walk obediently, righteously and blamelessly? Just like all were expected to do - by grace, through faith.
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