sola scriptura

[Mickey]

That quote is from the OCA.

Yeah. So?

The quote ends by saying: Thus, although we might say that the Orthodox are closer to the so-called “high” churches of the West such as the Roman and Anglican, it might be much safer and more correct to approach Orthodoxy solely on its own ground without too much comparison to others.

 

[Mickey]

• Abortion
• Church leadership, or no leadership
• Divorce
• Drinking allowed, drinking not allowed
• Homosexuality
• Music or no music (Singing or no singing)
• Once saved, always saved
• Ordination
• Predestination
• Rapture
• Sola scriptura/private interpretation
• Women pastors, no women pastors

Also:

Eschatology
Calvinism vs Arminianism
glossolalia
hermeneutics

 

[PRmerger]

Now how about answering the questions?

 

[Arizona_Samson]

PR, maybe you’re familiar with the term “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone”? One can see that many (not all) of these same problems plague the RCC as well as the Protestant Churches. Your system isn’t anymore perfect than ours.

Oh Batman, you are mistaken. In PR’s paradigm her system* is perfect*, since it’s ‘infallible’.

 

[PRmerger]

Ah… but that’s lumping all the Protestants together and pronouncing their difference.

Just as Catholics don’t answer for SSPX, Old Catholics, PNCC and the Chinese Catholic Patriotic Association, confessional Lutherans don’t answer for other Protestants, we answer for ourselves.

Frankly, given the times, confessional Lutherans have done reasonably well in steering the boat in it’s original direction. I do ask that you Catholics keep the lighthouse running so we know where to steer.

So get off the Lutheran boat and come to the Lighthouse already!

 

[PRmerger]

Oh Batman, you are mistaken. In PR’s paradigm her system* is perfect*, since it’s ‘infallible’.

Well, “perfect” was hyperbole, of course. As was the use of the word “infinitely”.

Incidentally, you do know, Samson, that the Church does not claim to be “perfect”, yes?

But I am glad that you are online now AS, for you have lots of questions that have been posed to you that you have yet to answer.

Namely:

Well, that’s nothing more and nothing less than what the CC proclaims about our Magisterium. Her teachings are infallible. They are not.

That is, the infallibility is a function of the office, not the man.

Do you have any objection to this?

 

[benjohnson]

So get off the Lutheran boat and come to the Lighthouse already!

We broke into the beer and Luther is telling naughty jokes. Wait till we sober up.

 

[Mickey]

We broke into the beer and Luther is telling naughty jokes. Wait till we sober up.

Ahh…that Marty…he’s always the life of the party!

 

[Reuben_J]

I would politely disagree. Does the scripture say "Cursed is the man who trusts in man, or Blessed is the man who trusts in man? (Jer. 17:5) The idea that a fallible humans can make infallible decrees is just not a good one. That is the whole point of using the Bible as the sole authority. There, you have God’s written Word. Now, to those churches that make light of what is written in scripture, and go against His Word, they will be accountable for what they have done.

It is not that easy as what it seems. Scripture does not explain itself though it is quite straight forward for the most parts. Someone still needs to draw a line on the thrust and the meaning of the scripture. When its meaning is not clear cut and can be understood in more than one ways, then the written Bible does not help much. One still has to get the information from outside the Bible. That would lead us to the Church that decided which books were to be included in the Bible for she had reasons for including them. And the chosen books of the Bible would not contradict the belief of the Church.

 

[Arizona_Samson]

Our system, batman, is infinitely better than yours, in that we have a functioning magisterium to declare what is God’s revelation and what is not.

Salt Lake City makes a similar claim, except they refer to their infallible teaching authority as the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, which (according to their claims) functions similarly to the College of Cardinals of your faith practice.

It is our paradigm that if a Catholic divorces himself from that which the magisterium has proclaimed, his views are reprobate. ** That is not the Protestant paradigm**.

You are mistaken, as the Sola Scriptura paradigm dictates if any of its adherents divorces himself from that which the Bible has proclaimed he is reprobate. (John 8:47, John 12:48, Gal 1:9, 1 Thess 4:8)

The differences between Catholic schools of thought have nowhere near the magnitude of the difference among Protestant schools.

The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. Luke 18:11

 

[PRmerger]

Salt Lake City makes a similar claim, except they refer to their infallible teaching authority as the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, which has similar functions of the College of Cardinals of your faith practice.

And they, too, have a valid refutation against your paradigm, which is: I just need to read the Bible and the Holy Spirit will guide me into all Truth.

They will correctly say: then why do you have tens of thousands of differing denominations, each claiming that their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?

And you will not be able to provide the astute LDS apologist with any reasoned response.:nope:

 

[PRmerger]

You are mistaken, as the Sola Scriptura paradigm dictates if any of its adherents divorces himself from that which the Bible has proclaimed he is reprobate. (John 8:47, John 12:48, Gal 1:9, 1 Thess 4:8)

So what does the Bible say about divorce and re-marriage, Samson?

 

[PRmerger]

The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. Luke 18:11

 

[Arizona_Samson]

Incidentally, you do know, Samson, that the Church does not claim to be “perfect”, yes?

Yes PR, I’m well versed on the claims that your church makes for itself.

But I am glad that you are online now AS, for you have lots of questions that have been posed to you that you have yet to answer.

If I had a dime for every time I’ve read on an internet forum where one of our Catholic friends have claimed that their questions have gone unanswered…

All kidding aside PR, I just got home and have another 12 hour day tomorrow to complete another 80 hour work week.

I’ll reply to your questions this weekend once some semblance of my already limited brain function returns.

 

[batman1973]

And they, too, have a valid refutation against your paradigm, which is: I just need to read the Bible and the Holy Spirit will guide me into all Truth.

They will correctly say: then why do you have tens of thousands of differing denominations, each claiming that their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?

And you will not be able to provide the astute LDS apologist with any reasoned response.:nope:

You don’t believe the Holy Spirit guides Christians? And, again, PR, and most of you Catholics really need to look at the basis for most of these so-called “thousands” of denominations ( I doubt there’s even 100. Non-Denom churches are mostly baptist) to see that most if not all hold to the same confessions of faith about the Bible, and who Jesus is. These are core values if you will. As for some other things like female pastors, gay “marriage”, failure to see the Real Presence in the Eucharist, these are sins that they will be held responsible for. As for your divorce comments, you really need to experience the full grace and mercy of Jesus to understand that He loves, and forgives. It’s not up to a “Church legal council” to determine the validity or in valditity of marriage. That’s between a man, a woman, and God. I’ve been divorced and re-married, and felt no ill will from God. Now, that I’m gonna be down 2, because I failed to be the spiritual head of the house, and we didn’t put Jesus at the center of our marriage. However, I’ll still bet that I’ll be blessed for number 3, providing I strengthen my walk with the Lord.

 

[Arizona_Samson]

Sorry, I couldn’t say goodnight and kiss my pillow before replying to this…

And they, too, have a valid refutation against your paradigm, which is: I just need to read the Bible and the Holy Spirit will guide me into all Truth.

That isn’t my paradigm, PR. It’s simply a feeble caricature provided by many (yourself included) who demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of Sola Scriptura.

They will correctly say: then why do you have tens of thousands of differing denominations, each claiming that their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?

They will and they do - just as others do who claim to belong to ‘the one true church.’

And you will not be able to provide the astute LDS apologist with any reasoned response.:nope:

I can see where this would pose a challenge for you but it poses no challenge for those who believe God speaks clearly to His sheep who hear His voice (John 10:27) through His inscripturated word - a word which is complete, authoritative, and true.

 

[PRmerger]

.That isn’t my paradigm, PR. It’s simply a feeble caricature provided by many (yourself included) who repeatedly demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of Sola Scriptura.

Well, Samson, since there is no magisterium for your church which defines “Sola Scriptura”, there is no consensus on what SS actually means.

You claim that my def of SS is incorrect.

Yet you have no church authority to back you up to say, “This is the definition of SS.”

We as Catholics can only go by what you say SS is. Unfortunately, your def of SS differs from what Radical says SS is. Whose def differs from MyReedemerLvs’s defs. Whose def differs from 1beleevr’s def. Whose def differs from Churchmouse’s def…

What’s a Catholic to do?

Indeed, the above illustration is a great microcosm that limns that obscenity of the Protestant paradigm.

You guys can’t even agree on what SS means!

 

[PRmerger]

I doubt there’s even 100. Non-Denom churches are mostly baptist)

Here’s something taken from a list of 5000.

A of BC in Luzon Visayas Mindanao
A Unterstütz in Mennonitengemeinden
Abbott Loop Fell of Community Churches
Aboriginal pentecostal congregations
Absolute Maori Established Church
Acção Bíblica
Acción Misionera Iglesia de Dios
Achang Church
Achewa Baptist Church
Action Apostolique
Action Biblique
Acts Mission Church of South Africa
Acts of Apostles Christ Church Nigeria
Advent Christian Church
Advent Christian Conference
Advent Christian Conference of Japan
Adventist Church
Adventists of the True Remnant
Africa Christian network
Africa Evangelical Church
Africa Evangelical Church of Malawi
Africa Gospel Church
Africa Gospel Unity Church
Africa Inland Church
African Apostolic Church of Johane Maranke
African Apostolic Church of Johane Masowe
African Apostolic Church of Nigeria & Benin
African Apostolic Church St Simon & St Johane
African Apostolic Faith Mission
African Assemblies of God
African Baptist Assembly Malawi
African Born Full Gospel Apostolic Ch
African Brotherhood Church
African Catholic Church
African Christian Church & Schools
African Christians Fellowship
African Church
African Church Mission
African Church of Jesus Christ in Kenya
African Church of the Holy Spirit
African Church The
African Congregational Church
African Covenant Church
African Disciples of Christ
African Divine Church
African Evangelical Presbyterian Ch
African Faith Tabernacle Church
African Free Presb Church of Zimbabwe
African Full Gospel Church
African Gospel Church
African Holy Zionist Church
African Independent Church of Kenya
African Independent Pentecostal Church of Africa
African Interior Church
African Israel Church Nineveh
African Methodist Church in Zimbabwe
African Methodist Episcopal Church
African Methodist Episcopal Zion Ch
African Mission of Holy Ghost Church
African National Church
African National/International Church
African New Life Ministries
African Reformed Coptic Church of God
African Salvation Army Church
African Union First Colored MP Ch
Afrikaans Baptist Church
Afrikaans Protestant Church
Agape Fellowship
Agape Ministries International
Akha Church
Aladura Internat Church UK & Overseas
Alaph Divine Temple
Aliança Biblica do Brasil
Aliança Cristã e Missionária
Aliança das Igrejas Cristãs Ev do Brasil
Alianca Ev C&MA
Alianca Evangelica Missionaria
Alianza Cristiana Pentecostal

 

[PRmerger]

Zambesi Evangelical Church
Zeme Baptist Church Council
Zigeunerische Kirche
Zimbabwe Assemblies of God Africa
Zimbabwe Christian Fellowship
Zion Apostolic Church of South Africa
Zion Apostolic Churches
Zion Apostolic Faith Mission
Zion Apostolic in Jerusalem Church
Zion Christian Church
Zion Christian Church of South Africa
Zion Christian Church South Africa
Zion Christian Church Zimbabwe
Zion Christian Community Church
Zion Church in South Africa
Zion City Apostolic Church of South Africa
Zion Evangelistic Fellowship
Zion Foundation Church of Lesotho
Zion Methodist Church in Nigeria
Zion Mission Church of South Africa
Zion Presbyterian Church of Christ
Ziwezano Church
Zo Christian Church
Zoe Bible Church
Zulu Congregational Church
Zulu Jerusalem Church in South Africa

 

[PRmerger]

And a whole bunch more, in between.

That list is an obscenity, batman. A complete obscenity.

(And I didn’t see “Baptist” in most of them.)