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Gaelic_Bard said:
Why would I want to learn from practice when I can see for myself in His word what His will is? Why get it wrong so many times and then hopefully get it right at some point?
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Gaelic,

You shun practice?

The deposit of Faith, our belief is based on Divine Revelation…

In many and various ways our God spoke to us in part through Prophets and in these last days He spoke to us through a Son…all that God wants us to know He summed up in one word Jesus and He imparted it to the Apostles…there was no Bible. The Deposit of Faith is dependent on Apostolic teaching/Tradition and Scripture monitored by the Magesterium, the Church…and because of this since His departure we have…a uniform

Profession of Faith…how do we believe this? Through reason…by no means…Flesh and Blood did not reveal this but Our Father in Heaven and we believe that gift of Faith is provided

Through a Sacramental life of initiation, healing and community. By one man’s sin your were made sinners and one man’s obedience we were made righteous, buried with Him and raised with Him in Baptism…

and we expect that this causes a change in life so that we

Model Christ, seek a moral life, follow the commandments and Life in Christ comes by practice and habit or virtue. Even pagans have human virtue but these virtues/habits/practice animated by the Theologic Virtues of Faith/Hope and Love provide grace to elevate the Human Virtue to the end of knowing and loving God… so that we might by the Gifts of the Spirit and Grace bear fruits of the Spirit and grow with practice towards Holiness so that we can unite with a loving God…and we often fail

So we Pray…and that is how the Catechism is ordered…

Profession of Faith
Sacramental Life
Life in Christ
Prayer…

Because as we believe and think so we act and if we don’t practice we will continually make the same mistakes and if we make the same mistakes no one will be attracted to the likes of anyone that cannot show the love of God and how through practice and the gifts we are given…why they should join the likes of me…and anyone else that understands this…

Want to rethink this?
 
benjohnson said:
I love your persistence -
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Huh? How am I any more persistent than any other poster who’s engaged in this dialogue?

Yes, I have a lot of posts to my name, but I’ve been here longer than most, too.

I’m not sure where your comment is coming from. :confused:
 
CopticChristian said:
Gaelic,

You shun practice?
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You misunderstand me. Practice implementing His will? Yes, we do that daily. Practicing guessing what His will is? Yes, I shun that because I can’t guess what His will is. He tells me in His word so that I don’t have to guess.
The deposit of Faith, our belief is based on Divine Revelation…
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Yes it is. That is my entire point.
In many and various ways our God spoke to us in part through Prophets and in these last days He spoke to us through a Son…all that God wants us to know He fummed up in one word Jesus and He imparted it to the Apostles…there was no Bible.
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There wasn’t a New Testament. That’s irrelevant to now, though. Because we do have one.
The Deposit of Faith is dependent on Apostolic teaching/Tradition and Scripture monitored by the Magesterium, the Church…and because of this since His departure we have…a uniform
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What does apostolic oral teaching tell me, that I need to know, that Scripture doesn’t?
Profession of Faith…how do we believe this? Through reason…by no means…Flesh and Blood did not reveal this but Our Father in Heaven and we believe that gift of Faith is provided
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I agree.
Through a Sacramental life of initiation, healing and community. By one man’s sin your were made sinners and one man’s obedience we were made righteous, buried with Him and raised with Him in Baptism…
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and we expect that this causes a change in life so that we
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Model Christ, seek a moral life, follow the commandments and Life in Christ comes by practice and habit or virtue.
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All of this is told to us in Scripture. The teachers that God provides to us help us learn to implement it on a daily basis.
Even pagans have human virtue but these virtues/habits/practice animated by the Theologic Virtues of Faith/Hope and Love provide grace to elevate the Human Virtue to the end of knowing and loving God… so that we might by the Gifts of the Spirit and Grace bear fruits of the Spirit and grow with practice towards Holiness so that we can unite with a loving God…and we often fail
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Yes, pagans know the law. Not sure what they have to do with the latter part of your syatement, though?

The rest of your post is based on not practicing virtuous behavior. Forgive me if I wasnt clear enough. I did not mean not practicing virtue. Rather, not guessing God’s will, when it’s in God-breathed Scripture.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
1 John 4:1; 1 Tim. 1:13-14, 2:1-2, 4:3-5; 2 Pet. 1:21; Jude 1:3; 2 Cor. 11:13-15

The pattern is clear; revelation comes from God to the prophets and apostles. The apostles teach it. Everything must be checked against and demonstrated to be from those teachings.
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History is pretty clear. Christ created One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. The Catholic Church created the Bible. The Catholic Church “is” the authority for all Christians. Whether you want to admit it or not.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
You misunderstand me. Practice implementing His will? Yes, we do that daily. Practicing guessing what His will is? Yes, I shun that because I can’t guess what His will is. He tells me in His word so that I don’t have to guess.

Yes it is. That is my entire point.

There wasn’t a New Testament. That’s irrelevant to now, though. Because we do have one.

What does apostolic oral teaching tell me, that I need to know, that Scripture doesn’t?

I agree.

All of this is told to us in Scripture. The teachers that God provides to us help us learn to implement it on a daily basis.

Yes, pagans know the law. Not sure what they have to do with the latter part of your syatement, though?

The rest of your post is based on not practicing virtuous behavior. Forgive me if I wasnt clear enough. I did not mean not practicing virtue. Rather, not guessing God’s will, when it’s in God-breathed Scripture.
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Gaelic,

How is it then that God’s will is not known or was not known to those that approved of Abortion in times past declaring themselves to be Christian or Contraception or Homosexuality?

How is it you deny 7 Sacraments that the Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox and the OHCAC see in God’s will, based on Apostolic Tradition? You limit your understanding of Divine Revelation to the Bible birthed by the OHCAC… a book that is not of your own…

I am pleased that you like a semblance of the original Book, I am pleased that it has guided you this far, I am pleased that you have learned some things.👍
 
CopticChristian said:
Gaelic,

How is it then that God’s will is not known or was not known to those that approved of Abortion in times past declaring themselves to be Christian or Contraception or Homosexuality?
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How are individuals who disobey God’s will relevant to the fact that His will is made known?
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
How are individuals who disobey God’s will relevant to the fact that His will is made known?
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Gaelic,

Using a semblance of the Bible, believing they were doing God’s will…see here

nrlc.org/news/1999/NRL199/sween.html
Despite this strongly pro-life 1965 statement, the Presbyterian Church (USA), in every statement and resolution since 1970, has supported free and open access to abortion without legal restriction. Almost simultaneously, the United Methodists (1970), the Lutheran Church in America (1970), the United Church of Christ (1971), the Disciples of Christ (1971), and the Southern Baptist Convention (1971) adopted policies allowing abortion as a decision of the woman or the couple.
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They read the book, said it was Ok…the Church is the Pillar and foundation of Truth…was this the truth?
 
CopticChristian said:
Gaelic,

Using a semblance of the Bible, believing they were doing God’s will…see here

nrlc.org/news/1999/NRL199/sween.html

They read the book, said it was Ok…the Church is the Pillar and foundation of Truth…was this the truth?
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Yes, I’m sure that liberal church bodies disobey God’s will on that issue. I don’t see the logic behind what you’re trying to assert. Are you claiming that God has not spoken clearly enough on homosexuality or abortion? Not clearly enough to forbid justifying disobedience?
 
PRmerger said:
Huh? How am I any more persistent than any other poster who’s engaged in this dialogue?
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You generously lay out the invitation to explore your Catholic faith. Even when we keep rolling up the red carpet that you carefully laid out for us and hand it back to you.

Your persistent evangelization is a great thing to emulate.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
Yes, I’m sure that liberal church bodies disobey God’s will on that issue. I don’t see the logic behind what you’re trying to assert. Are you claiming that God has not spoken clearly enough on homosexuality or abortion? Not clearly enough to forbid justifying disobedience?
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Gaelic,

The OHCAC is the Church. Where does the semblance of the Bible you read say “liberal”, “conservative”, or any other such notion.
 
CopticChristian said:
Gaelic,

The OHCAC is the Church. Where does the semblance of the Bible you read say “liberal”, “conservative”, or any other such notion.
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Liberal being “it’s not necessarily all his word and there’s some leeway.” Conservative being, “it’s His word and authoritative.”

Do you believe Scripture is unclear on homosexuality and abortion?
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
You misunderstand me. Practice implementing His will? Yes, we do that daily. Practicing guessing what His will is? Yes, I shun that because I can’t guess what His will is. He tells me in His word so that I don’t have to guess.
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What if it turned out that the Catholic Church was right concerning the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist? He very specifically gave us his will in the form of a command to “Do this…”, going so far as to say that if we do not “do this” we will have no life in us. So do you really know God’s will? Is there a chance you’re missing something?
Gaelic_Bard said:
What does apostolic oral teaching tell me, that I need to know, that Scripture doesn’t?
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Maybe the sacrifice of the Mass, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, the Communion of Saints, to mention a few. Just saying that if we’re right then you are missing a whole bunch of good stuff that you didn’t discover in the Bible as being God’s will.

By the way, I want to say that I enjoy your posts and am glad that you are here.

God bless.
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
Liberal being “it’s not necessarily all his word and there’s some leeway.” Conservative being, “it’s His word and authoritative.”

Do you believe Scripture is unclear on homosexuality and abortion?
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Gaelic,

I believe that the OHCAC is clear on this teaching based on Scripture and Tradition and has not waivered. Unfortunately disobedience is not based on what Scripture says but not hearing what God says through the Church, the means by which the manifold wisdom of God is known.
 
CopticChristian said:
Gaelic,

I believe that the OHCAC is clear on this teaching based on Scripture and Tradition and has not waivered. Unfortunately disobedience is not based on what Scripture says but not hearing what God says through the Church, the means by which the manifold wisdom of God is known.
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Coptic…The disobedience to authority is not the responsibility of the authority. Scripture is clear that abortion and homosexuality is a sin. People disobey it.

The Catholic Church is clear that abortion and homosexuality is a sin. People disobey it. 🤷
 
SteveVH said:
What if it turned out that the Catholic Church was right concerning the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist? He very specifically gave us his will in the form of a command to “Do this…”, going so far as to say that if we do not “do this” we will have no life in us. So do you really know God’s will? Is there a chance you’re missing something?

Maybe the sacrifice of the Mass, Eucharist, Reconciliation, Confirmation, the Communion of Saints, to mention a few. Just saying that if we’re right then you are missing a whole bunch of good stuff that you didn’t discover in the Bible as being God’s will.

By the way, I want to say that I enjoy your posts and am glad that you are here.

God bless.
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Yes, in the Catholic view. Some of those Scripture doesn’t teach. So I don’t believe I’m missing out. I understand you disagree.

And you too…your last post in the LOVE thread was particularly brilliant
 
Gaelic_Bard said:
Coptic…The disobedience to authority is not the responsibility of the authority. Scripture is clear that abortion and homosexuality is a sin. People disobey it.

The Catholic Church is clear that abortion and homosexuality is a sin. People disobey it. 🤷
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Gealic,

If they are both clear, then there must be some commonality in that clarity. Which came first?
 
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