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Amen.
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pocohombre
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He is not the high priest of most of OT. He is not after Aaron. He is not Levitical. He was from the tribe of Judah. His priesthood is after the order of Melchizadek. Why would we do Levitical preistly things if our high priest is not Levitical . We are His disciples, in a new service of mediation, not to one another, but to a lost world by proclaiming the Gospel. Jesus said, “I am the way,… and no one goes to the Father but thru me”. The word “priest” came form “kohen”, Hebrew for “postrating” as if before God. The essence of a priest is "mediation’ , between sinful man and a holy God. There are many fucntions. Won’t list them here. I have said the mediating functions have been done away with, as suggested by Hebrews and the above scripture-jesus the perfect mediator. Some other functions have not (teaching,shepherding, mediating a lost world-fishers of men).
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pocohombre
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Would have to come up with story where you can overstep authority given you. That is an equal error… Envy ? Perhaps, but too many reformers were willing and many did ) lay their life on the line. Don’t think envy was their motivation. Now the other error of overstepping one’s authority has it’s own motivation. The three rules of authority; get it, grow it, and keep it.
Well Jesus did by saying he is the mediator to God. We “mediate” the lost to Him (Roman 15) that is out priestly role, proclaiming the gospel. Can’t you go into the holy of holies, where once only the high priests could go, and that only once a year ?
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YES! If it is a true ecumenical council, it would not matter when held. There have been seven truly ecumenical councils, all in the first millennium. None confirm infallibility ex cathedra.So, if an ecumenical council acknowledges papal infallibility, that recognition is sufficient evidence for you that the doctrine is valid.
Should it matter WHEN that council is held?
Is the Church LESS led the Holy Spirit in 1870 than in 870? Has God abandoned us in these latter days?
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aidanbradypop
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I only accept 4
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JL: First this could never happen as God never contrdicts Himself, whether by Word or Epistle, 2Thes2:14-15. But let’s say hypothetically it happend. In that case the Bible would be in error and not reliable. The Bible tells us the Church is the pillar and ground of truth, 1Tm3:15. If the Chruch taught error it couldn’t be a pillar and ground of truth. Also the Bible tells us Christ promised to send the Holy Spirit to guide the Church into all truth, Jn16:13. At that point we would have to conclude we can’t know the truth at all.
JL: The Church doesn’t take her teachings from the Bible. The Church was teaching, preaching, and converting at lest twenty years before the first word of the NT was ever penned. Except for John all the apostles were dead before the NT was finished. There was no set canon for the Church till the 4th century and that canon of the Bible was discerned by it’s agreement with Apostolic Tradition already being preached.
Some congregations had books that were not included in the canon and some didn’t have books that were included in both the OT and NT.
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Kliska
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Underscored by the fact that we shouldn’t try to put new wine into old wineskins.
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Oh trust me, I know Jesus was from Judah,nonetheless, THE priest. Again, Jesus does not eradicate the ministerial priesthood. Who performed the Passover meals? Can you provide one name of a lay Christian performing the Lord’s Supper and the early church okay with it?
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The tu quoque argument? Really?
But, no, that’s not what we’re doing when we follow the authority that Christ set up, to which the Early Church attests and to which scripture witnesses.
Envy comes in when someone arrogates that authority to themself.
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aidanbradypop
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In the eyes of many protestants the CC and Popes have done the very thing you speak of.
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Nicea325
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In regards to what? The issue has to do with interpretation and the correct meaning. Not political.In the eyes of many protestants the CC and Popes have done the very thing you speak of.
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aidanbradypop
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Didn’t say anything about political.
If one believes that the invisible church is the only one then the authority of the Church to do anything would come into question. Right?
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FathersKnowBest
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If I believe I’m the King of America, then …
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Seriously, this smacks of confirmation bias.
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aidanbradypop
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Lord help us. Ha!If I believe I’m the King of America, then …
But seriously you have to see it from there perspective. There are “sspx” types in the protestant denominations as well. Very conservative and fundamentalist in doctrine
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Did not know Jesus founded an invisible church on a visible earth? Yes…I can see how it can create a problem since invisible cannot be seen.
Understood. Some Lutherans speak that way, too. But if we are to speak of ecumenical, it seems to me that implies what both Rome and Orthodox agree on. Now, Catholics, I know, will disagree with that paradigm…I only accept 4
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aidanbradypop
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You have heard of the invisible church or church invisible before. Reformed theology is a tad different but for someone like a Southern Baptist, the believers are the body of Christ, not the RCC.
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aidanbradypop
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Kind of creates a fork in the road
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FathersKnowBest
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Yes, it’s a concept that was invented in the 16th century out of necessity after breaking ranks with the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.
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