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It seems to me that what makes the Pope and also the Apostles infallible is the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit then, the Pope as well as well as the Apostles would then be fallible.
 
spina1953 said:
It seems to me that what makes the Pope and also the Apostles infallible is the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit then, the Pope as well as well as the Apostles would then be fallible.
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Except I don’t think the Apostles were infallible. They were capable of error, like everyone else.
 
Novocastrian said:
Except I don’t think the Apostles were infallible. They were capable of error, like everyone else.
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I think you misunderstand the CC’s explication of infallibility. Everyone, including the pope, is capable of error. In fact, Mary, the Mother of God, was capable of error.

However, I think you would agree, that at some point the Holy Spirit inspired or assisted some folks to proclaim things that He wanted to be proclaimed, and when they did this, they did so without error.

Infallibility.

You believe in it, too! 🙂
 
Novocastrian said:
Except I don’t think the Apostles were infallible. They were capable of error, like everyone else.
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Yeah when it came to matters of politics or petty matters,but **not **when it applied to our salvation.

You are suggesting the Holy Spirit has no involvement at all.
 
PRmerger said:
I think you misunderstand the CC’s explication of infallibility. Everyone, including the pope, is capable of error. In fact, Mary, the Mother of God, was capable of error.

However, I think you would agree, that at some point the Holy Spirit inspired or assisted some folks to proclaim things that He wanted to be proclaimed, and when they did this, they did so without error.

Infallibility.

You believe in it, too! 🙂
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Ok, I’ll agree that someone truly inspired by the Holy Spirit is infallible insofar as the Spirit is infallible. But this is not what the Roman Church calls infallibility; the Roman Pontiff is supposedly infallible in virtue of his office, not inspiration.
 
Nicea325 said:
Ever? If they were not infallible at any point in time;hence everything down by any Apostle in the NT is in serious question.
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Do you think the Apostles had free will? Could they have refused to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in writing down Scripture/preaching the Gospel?
 
Novocastrian said:
Ok, I’ll agree that someone truly inspired by the Holy Spirit is infallible insofar as the Spirit is infallible. But this is not what the Roman Church calls infallibility; the Roman Pontiff is supposedly infallible in virtue of his office, not inspiration.
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But the RCC does not teach or has it ever thought he is infallible at ALL times simply because of virtue of his office.
 
Novocastrian said:
Do you think the Apostles had free will? Could they have refused to cooperate with the Holy Spirit in writing down Scripture/preaching the Gospel?
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No offense,but you really are suggesting they wrote fallible material-no?
 
The Apostles had free will. yet, these men called Apostles believed in Jesus and what he taught them. They saw the risen Christ and they were willing to die for what they believed. So I think that when the preached the Good news and taught what Jesus taught them, they had the Holy Spirit to guide them in all that they said did and taught. To me that means that they were infallible.
 
Novocastrian said:
Ok, I’ll agree that someone truly inspired by the Holy Spirit is infallible insofar as the Spirit is infallible.
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Egg-zactly.
But this is not what the Roman Church calls infallibility;
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Of course it is. No one is infallible of his own power or nature.
the Roman Pontiff is supposedly infallible in virtue of his office, not inspiration.
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I don’t know what this means. It sounds a bit nonsensical. Could you please expound?
 
Nicea325 said:
No offense,but you really are suggesting they wrote fallible material-no?
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Actually, on reflection, I’m willing to say that there are some levels on which Scripture can be seen as fallible. Here I’m aware that the likes of Jon and I are likely to respectfully disagree.
 
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