Sola Scriptura

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Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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Sola Scriptura is wrong.
Tell me where in the Bible does it say the Bible is the only authority?
 
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thistle:
Sola Scriptura is wrong.
Tell me where in the Bible does it say the Bible is the only authority?
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It doesn’t. I learned that in Apologetics class. I’m just showing you what I found. I’m not trying to start an argument. It’s not my personal belief.
I’m asking a simple question.
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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All Catholics and Orthodox, as well as many Protestants (i.e. most of the Christians in the world) and all Christians before the “Reformation” did not and do not ascribe to the relatively novel doctrine of “Sola Scriptura,” a doctrine that, as was pointed out, is unbiblical as well as unhistorical, unworkable, and unreasonable.

With that understanding, your question is based on a false premise and thus unanswerable. Perhaps you’d like to rephrase it. 🙂
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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If Sola Scriptura was theologically correct, there would be no protestants. It would have been the teaching of the Church for 1500 years before Luther.
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml
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Sola Scriptura is a Protestant error. The Catholic Church rejects this idea.
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mrs_abbott:
If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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The Catechism is an authoritative document of the Magesterium of the Church for the purpose of imparting the teaching of the Church and it is reliable.

While technically not an “infallible” document, it is *authoritative * and contains infallible teachings set forth through the various Councils, papal pronouncements, and the ordinary Magesterium.
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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Whose interpretation of the Scriptures is the correct one?
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtmlIf that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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Your question asks “If that is true”… The problem is it isn’t true. Actually the opposite is true:
drbo.org:
1 Timothy 3,15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
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It is His Catholic Church, not the Bible that is the pillar and ground of truth.
 
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mrs_abbott:
I’m asking a simple question.
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Actually, no you are not asking a simple question. Your question is framed as follows: “If Sola Scriptura is true then…”

Sola Scriptura is not true, therefore the rest of your question is not answerable.

Any discussion of the merits of the Catechism cannot be framed in reference to Sola Scriptura. It should be discussed based on Catholic teaching.
 
If Sola Scriptura “is valid” (and it is not)
you have to use scripture to interpet scripture.

Then how can you incorrectly interpet John 6 and
the gospel accounts of the Eucharist?

The only way can be to properly interpet it to be the actual body and blood of Christ.
 
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mrs_abbott:
It doesn’t. I learned that in Apologetics class. I’m just showing you what I found. I’m not trying to start an argument. It’s not my personal belief.
I’m asking a simple question.
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If you don’t believe it, why are you attending an apologetics class that teaches such error? Or do you mean your class taught you that Sola Scriptura is not taught in the Bible?

May I suggest some apologetic material that counters Sola Scriptura?:

geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/solascriptura21.html
geocities.com/thecatholicconvert/staplessolascriptura.html
 
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mrs_abbott:
Sola Scriptura means that the Scriptures are our only ultimate and infallible authority for faith and practice. All other authorities are subordinate to Scripture and are fallible.
u-turn.net/6-3/sola.shtml

If that is true, does that mean that things like the Catechism can’t be trusted for complete truth? :ehh:
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If teachings outside of Scripture cannot be trusted, then the list of books that are Scripture cannot be trusted. Like it or not that is what Sola Scriptura in reality teaches- for according to it, there exists no Divine Revelation outside of the Bible.

Ken
 
When I first heard of Sola Scriptura I thought it was ridiculous for the ff reasons:
  1. No need for pastor, you’re your own pastor.
  2. No need for any other Christian books for it violates SS.
  3. No need for church for it violates SS.
In essence, even those who believe in SS cannot faithfully follow it.

Oh well.

in XT.
 
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DeFide:
If you don’t believe it, why are you attending an apologetics class that teaches such error? Or do you mean your class taught you that Sola Scriptura is not taught in the Bible?
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I was taught in Apologetics class that the Bible is not the sole source of the Catholic faith. I don’t know where you got all that you just said. :confused:
 
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1ke:
Actually, no you are not asking a simple question. Your question is framed as follows: “If Sola Scriptura is true then…”

Sola Scriptura is not true, therefore the rest of your question is not answerable.

Any discussion of the merits of the Catechism cannot be framed in reference to Sola Scriptura. It should be discussed based on Catholic teaching.
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Ok then. No need to get defensive. I honestly didn’t know. Why else would I ask?
 
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Whose interpretation of the Scriptures is the correct one?
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That’s something that I’m still looking for the answer on. I’ve been told the church is, but I need to research that some more to know it for myself.
 
It would be possible for the Catechism to have errors, either unintentional or even intentional (e.g. due to ultra-liberal theologians playing a part in writing it). But the doctrines of the Church, which the Catechism is intended to reflect, are without error.

Note that I’m not saying the current Catechism does have errors, just that, not being a doctrinal document, it is not impossible that it could have errors.

Note that even the pope could write a letter teaching some error, or give a sermon teaching some error. The pope is not protected from error except in the limited case that he is pronouncing a teaching “ex cathedra” which is intended and required to be held by the entire Church.
 
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VociMike:
It would be possible for the Catechism to have errors, either unintentional or even intentional (e.g. due to ultra-liberal theologians playing a part in writing it). But the doctrines of the Church, which the Catechism is intended to reflect, are without error.

Note that I’m not saying the current Catechism does have errors, just that, not being a doctrinal document, it is not impossible that it could have errors.

Note that even the pope could write a letter teaching some error, or give a sermon teaching some error. The pope is not protected from error except in the limited case that he is pronouncing a teaching “ex cathedra” which is intended and required to be held by the entire Church.
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I know that the doctrines laid down from the time of Jesus are infallible but that stuff that is said by man DOES have room for fallibility, including the pope.
I was just confused about that statement I read about sola scriptura because that would disprove anything said in anything BUT the Bible.
 
I think you might have to read a little about infallibility before you make a judgement on it.

Infallibility is directly related to Catholic belief that there is indeed truth. Catholics believe that since Jesus came to testify to the truth and it is knowable.

Since our salvation is directly related to coming to know God and having a relationship with Him, Jesus revealed truth to us. This is as knowable and as true as 1+1=2. So an infallible statement is a completely true statement. Just like yesterday was before today, this is a statement of fact.

Many people try to deny this sort of thing because knowing truth then requires change, if you hide it from yourself you can always say you did the best you knew how and kinda lie to yourself into thinking you are ok anyways. So whether people like it or not there is truth and if known it must be conformed to. So either people deny it or pretend that there are multiple truths, which then is just opinion and not truth.

A Catholic is not scared of truth as our faith requires objective truth and one understanding as truth is not opinion. So we can easily say one faith, one baptism, one church and mean it.

If you would like more info feel free to PM me,
God Bless
Scylla

See so even I can make an infallible statement, as 2+2=4, and the only people to try and deny it are people who deny truth.
 
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