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Well, the definition of Sola Scriptura is a historical fact… the CONTENT and MEANING of Scripture might be in question, but not the definition of sola Scriptura.
But that begs the question: Who defines Sola Scriptura, and how can I test whether that definition is correct? What or who is the final authority for the definition of Sola Scriptura?

If you say a man, then how can one test whether that man’s definition is correct?

If you say the Bible, then where in the Bible is Sola Scriptura defined?

In other words, I am not interested in any man’s definition of Sola Scriptura; I am interested in God’s definition of Sola Scriptura. So, what is God’s definition of Sola Scriptura?
Sola Scriptura is a hermeneutical and ecclesiastical principle, not specifically a doctrine of Scripture itself, though on may argue that the concept is found there.
Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine of Sacred Scripture? Can you explain that? That’s what Catholics believe.

“Doctrine” means “belief.” Are you saying Sola Scriptura is not a belief found in Sacred Scripture? Doesn’t that make it unbiblical per se?
Untrue, both paedobaptists and credobaptists may ascribe to Sola Scripture as a principle… but they can disagree on the content of Scripture. One will find, however, in salvific matters, that denominations that ascribe to sola Scriptura agree. It is on the secondary (mode and subjects of baptism) and tertiary (eschatology) issues that sola Scriptura denominations differ. Much like Roman Catholics who differ on Augustinian or Aquinan theological constructs.
So, in other words then, Scripture is not sufficient to tell us who understands Sola Scriptura properly. Infant baptism is either biblical or it is not. How does one find out, using the Bible alone?

Our Lord said we would know the truth and the truth would set us free. What is the truth concerning infant baptism?

The above also begs the question: Where does the Bible delineate for us what are “salvific matters” and what are not “salvific matters”?

Doesn’t the concept of Sola Scriptura mean that the Bible is the final authority on matters of doctrine? But the Bible is not the final authority on how to apply that doctrine, e.g., infant baptism?
Well, firstly, one doesn’t go looking to the Bible to determine what “sola Scriptura… entails”, rather in looking through they Bible they come to discover that sola Scriptura is a principle expressed therein (and followed by the Apostles and ECFs).
If one does not go looking in the Bible for what Sola Scripture entails, then where does one find out that information?

And once I find that source, how do I test whether that source is correct?

How does one discover that Sola Scriptura is a principle expressed in the Bible when that person cannot even define Sola Scriptura?

Whose definition of Sola Scriptura should I follow, and where in the Bible can I find it so that I can test whether that person is defining it properly?
but the salvific content of Scripture is plain to all.
Where does the Bible tell us which beliefs are essential and therefore salvific and which ones are not?

Is belief in Sola Scriptura “salvific”? If so, please cite the part of Sacred Scripture which states that belief in Sola Scriptura is “salvific.”

If it is not “salvific,” doesn’t that mean it is not an essential Christian belief and one is free to disregard it?

And if it is not salvific, why bother believing in it?
 
But that begs the question: Who defines Sola Scriptura, and how can I test whether that definition is correct? What or who is the final authority for the definition of Sola Scriptura?

If you say a man, then how can one test whether that man’s definition is correct?
The definition of the doctrine is a historical fact, it is written here and there… you can look it up. To determine if said doctrine is correct, you have the Holy Spirit and Scripture by which you may determine just as the Thessolonicans did.
If you say the Bible, then where in the Bible is Sola Scriptura defined?
I believe I’ve answered that. Just as there is no single verse declaring “trinity” (but it is none-the-less a doctrine founded in Scripture) there is no single verse declaring “sola scriptura” rather, it is a doctrine on can understand from the entire context of Scripture.
In other words, I am not interested in any man’s definition of Sola Scriptura; I am interested in God’s definition of Sola Scriptura. So, what is God’s definition of Sola Scriptura?
I’ve provided you with a couple relevant texts, from those texts we can understand a couple things… those things would lend to the understanding of sola Scriptura… now those two verses are not the entirety of the support for said doctrine, but an example thereof.
Sola Scriptura is not a doctrine of Sacred Scripture? Can you explain that? That’s what Catholics believe.
Sola Scriptura is not found VERBATIM in Scripture, no more than the Trinity is.
“Doctrine” means “belief.” Are you saying Sola Scriptura is not a belief found in Sacred Scripture? Doesn’t that make it unbiblical per se?
See above.
So, in other words then, Scripture is not sufficient to tell us who understands Sola Scriptura properly.
I disagree completely. Sola Scriptura is a doctrine about SCRIPTURE not about baptism etc.
Infant baptism is either biblical or it is not. How does one find out, using the Bible alone?
Read the Bible… compare the texts etc. Again, this is a secondary issue, not one of salvific nature.
Our Lord said we would know the truth and the truth would set us free. What is the truth concerning infant baptism?
Was the context of Christ’s words universally applicable to all difficult concepts of Scripture? Does that verse teach that you, as an individual, would know what is the truth in every situation?

If so… please provide the infallible decree wherein that passage is so rendered. 🙂
The above also begs the question: Where does the Bible delineate for us what are “salvific matters” and what are not “salvific matters”?
Galatians and Romans make such things pretty clear.
Doesn’t the concept of Sola Scriptura mean that the Bible is the final authority on matters of doctrine?
Yes.
But the Bible is not the final authority on how to apply that doctrine, e.g., infant baptism?
Not sure what you mean.
If one does not go looking in the Bible for what Sola Scripture entails, then where does one find out that information?
Answered already.
And once I find that source, how do I test whether that source is correct?
The Bible states that murder is sin… how do you test that?
How does one discover that Sola Scriptura is a principle expressed in the Bible when that person cannot even define Sola Scriptura?
No clue what you’re attempting to say, you’re mixing apples and oranges.
Whose definition of Sola Scriptura should I follow
When you say “whose”, who do you mean? Who has a different definition?
… and where in the Bible can I find it so that I can test whether that person is defining it properly?
Answered already.
Where does the Bible tell us which beliefs are essential and therefore salvific and which ones are not?
Answered already.

bbl.
 
It seems to me that we wouldn’t even be having this discussion unless the reformers believed that the Catholic Tradition in some way differed from Scripture. Where do Protestents point to as the areas where Catholic Tradition has specifically contradicted Scripture? Even better, what, when and where was the specific event or teaching where protestants believe the Church went wrong in the interpretation of Scripture and thus contradicted it?

Ed
 
It seems to me that we wouldn’t even be having this discussion unless the reformers believed that the Catholic Tradition in some way differed from Scripture. Where do Protestents point to as the areas where Catholic Tradition has specifically contradicted Scripture? Even better, what, when and where was the specific event or teaching where protestants believe the Church went wrong in the interpretation of Scripture and thus contradicted it?

Ed
The immediate reasons for the Reformation stemmed from what Luther saw as error in Roman Catholic doctrine, specifically indulgences, the treasury of merit etc. This became a greater issue as Rome’s response to Luther’s first attempts at discussing Reformation were met with fierce and threatening resistance.

I am by no means an expert, or even very knowledgeable about the older roots, but I understand that they lie not in Luther, but in those before him who questioned the Biblical case for the papacy, the move of the See to France, the issue of indulgences and translation of the Bible into local vernacular.

You may be surprised, given your question, that many of Rome’s apologists no longer claim a Biblical basis for all the dogma of the church.

There are entire books written on this subject, far better than the piecemeal ramblings I can provide you, I am in fact even inadequate in suggesting one.

But as far as modern Reformed folks, they would point firstly to the doctrine of justification, the treasury of merit, papal authority, and of course, some of the Marian dogmas.
 
Where does the Bible tell us which beliefs are essential and therefore salvific and which ones are not?
There often occurs a formula in Scripture where faith in Christ is promoted as foremost above all else, second to that is sanctification which must closely follow faith. One can point to other passages of Scripture wherein it is declared that one must declare “Jesus is Lord”, and note that the context defines Christ’s deity. So… as far as “what is and is not a primary doctrine of salvific importance”, it seems that the creeds of the historic church fairly well define them, not as extra-biblical traditions, but as summaries of the “confession” of the believer. Of course, even within those confessions (The Athanasian Creed and perhaps the The Definition of Chalcedon) one finds things that even scholars have a hard time expressing adequately, therefore they’re not foundational.

But there again, Biblically speaking, one must believe what God has revealed to them by the preaching of the Gospel and from His Word. Thus it is not really an issue of quantity…
Is belief in Sola Scriptura “salvific”? If so, please cite the part of Sacred Scripture which states that belief in Sola Scriptura is “salvific.”
Nope, one doesn’t have to have a definitional understanding of sola Scriptura to be saved. No one even suggests that. Again, sola Scriptura is a hermeneutical and ecclesiastical understanding and principle that governs the church more so than the individual.
If it is not “salvific,” doesn’t that mean it is not an essential Christian belief and one is free to disregard it?
No more so than one can “disregard” baptism, for while one may be saved (according to Protestants) apart from baptism, one cannot be saved who denies it. The point there being, like the thief on the cross or someone who hears, believes and yet dies before baptism, God requires of them what He has provided to them.
And if it is not salvific, why bother believing in it?
Because it is revealed in God’s word, and if it is revealed to you, you are responsible to believe it.
 
well said MicahBurke:clapping:

sola scriptura is pretty well defined in the above quoted Westminster Confession (as posted by itsjustdave1988) , and is it says that one may come to a sufficient understanding of things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture alone

I do not see how Catholics can deny this if we who hold to sola scripture are viewed as “separated brethren” and our Baptisms are viewed as valid within the Catholic Church
 
well said MicahBurke:clapping:

sola scriptura is pretty well defined in the above quoted Westminster Confession (as posted by itsjustdave1988) , and is it says that one may come to a sufficient understanding of things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture alone

I do not see how Catholics can deny this if we who hold to sola scripture are viewed as “separated brethren” and our Baptisms are viewed as valid within the Catholic Church
We can disagree because it is obvious that those who believe “we may come to a sufficient understanding of things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture alone” come to diametrically opposed positions on subjects.

You mention baptism.

Is baptism necessary for salvation?

Do a search through the many threads on the subject and you will find that “scripture alone” does not seem to settle the issue.

I’ve been told everything from it is completely unnecessary to if you are not full immersed in flowing water we are all going to hell.

Which is it?

Pick an issue any issue and we can find diametrically opposed views arrived at by reading “scripture alone”.

How about sexual morality, marriage, the need for sacraments, the death penalty, self-defense, war….

I’ve had a “Christian” who “speaks in tongues” tell me that I’m not a “Christian” because I do not have that gift and the same fellow tells me that it doesn’t matter what he does because his “faith in Christ” has saved him and therefore the fact that he commits adultery anytime he can manage the task is completely irrelevant.

He “knows” these things because that is what the “Holy Spirit” tells him when he reads “scripture”.

Personally, I think there is no such thing as “solo scriptura” or “sola scriptura”.

Sola Scriptura is a bible sitting on a desk all by itself.

As soon as we open it up and start reading, it becomes “scripture” and whatever else we bring to the table.

Chuck
 
We can disagree because it is obvious that those who believe “we may come to a sufficient understanding of things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture alone” come to diametrically opposed positions on subjects
The fallacy here is that Rome somehow alleviates this problem. This claim is often used in Roman apologetics toward Protestants and yet there are few, if any, official proclamations on the official meaning of any given Scripture, and even the oft quoted ones in support of Roman Catholic dogma are interpreted various ways within the Roman church. Take the famous “rock” passage, found in Matthew 16, throughout history there have been various understandings of the meaning of “the rock” in that passage. Roman apologists will assure you that the “rock” is in fact Peter, but there is no infallible decree to that effect, nor is that view supported by the overwhelming support of early church fathers, a majority of whom viewed “the rock” as referring to Peter’s confession and not to the man himself.

You probably believe that Matt 16 refers to Peter, not his confession, not Christ etc. and it is upon that view that you’ve supported the foundation of the papacy, yet, since there is no infallible proclamation to that effect, and since councils, popes, and early church fathers disagree on the specific meaning of that passage, you’re using private interpretation to come to that conclusion.

The fact is, there are similar varying opinions on many different theological subjects within Roman Catholicism. One can be accept Molinism while another accepts Thomism… your church allows this… and yet these are two diametrically opposed views on very important theological topics. Therefore the appeal to the authority of the church, in this important debate, is unfounded.
Is baptism necessary for salvation?
Do a search through the many threads on the subject and you will find that “scripture alone” does not seem to settle the issue.
No one claims that sola Scriptura can settle the issue for the entire church at large, that is not what sola Scriptura is about. It seems you want someone to tell you what, when, and how to believe, but the principle undergirding sola Scriptura is that you are in fact responsible to read, listen and believe.
Pick an issue any issue and we can find diametrically opposed views arrived at by reading “scripture alone”.
And, as I’ve shown above, the infallibility claims of Rome are no solution to this problem. Sola Scriptura is evidently NOT the problem therefore, rather, the simple sinfulness of man throughout is the root of the error, and the solution is not one that Rome really provides.
I’ve had a “Christian” who “speaks in tongues” tell me that I’m not a “Christian” because I do not have that gift and the same fellow tells me that it doesn’t matter what he does because his “faith in Christ” has saved him and therefore the fact that he commits adultery anytime he can manage the task is completely irrelevant.
He “knows” these things because that is what the “Holy Spirit” tells him when he reads “scripture”.
But that isn’t what sola Scriptura means, in fact, that very principle is opposed to sola Scriptura. All “extra-biblical” revelatory groups such as these deny the very principle. Sola Scriptura is not about what the “holy spirit” reveals to you in opposition to the evident meaning of the text, rather, what the text means in its context. This is why we CAN debate, even with Roman apologists, the meaning of any given text and even come to agreement with same said apologists with any given text.

The example you’re giving here is not someone practicing sola Scriptura, but in fact, is an example of one engaging in “solo” Scriptura. By denying the other authorities that do exist, in acceptance of their own ideas about the text, they come to unsound and unhistorical views.

Rome has not infallibly defined the meaning of 99% of Scripture, you therefore must use private interpretation (that not meaning an idea that just pops into your head) but your reasoning faculties given to you by God and the illumination of the Holy Spirit (as opposed to private revelation).

This is why the churches of the Reformation, by-in-large, have nearly identical beliefs on the primary issues of the faith. They all ascribe to the ancient creeds and even quote them in their services. Yes, they differ on secondary and tertiary issues, but as shown, even the authority claims of the Roman See cannot provide the supposed unification that you and other Roman apologists suggest exists within.

This is, in fact, one of the central reasons I must reject the Roman claims. For as often as I’m told that I cannot accept “sola Scriptura” and need an infallible interpreter and guide… no such infallible interpretation exists, and the dogmatic claims of Rome are often not only unBiblical but clearly antihistorical as well.
As soon as we open it up and start reading, it becomes “scripture” and whatever else we bring to the table.
No, Scripture is Scripture, regardless of whether or nor we accept it, or read it. God HAS spoken, and His words are recorded in the pages therein.

Micah Burke
 
Luther, I think, believed that the Catholic Church was teaching dogma that was diametrically opposed to scripture, and that was the crux of the matter. I’m asking if there are specific examples of this that are very plain and evident. I have not seen anything that the Church teaches which could be considered opposed to Scripture. To say that Tradition in the Catholic Church is not valid, one would have to show that the Tradition is opposed to Scripture.

There is also the question of exactly when the reformers believe the Church went wrong. It must have been after the construction of the New Testament since the Church had the devine insight to do that correctly. If the Church could infallibly interpret what books were divinely inspired and which were not, how is it inconceivable that the Church would also be able to infallibly interpret the Scripture that it decided upon in the first place?
 
I have not seen anything that the Church teaches which could be considered opposed to Scripture.
Of course not 🙂
To say that Tradition in the Catholic Church is not valid, one would have to show that the Tradition is opposed to Scripture.
As I stated before: “But as far as modern Reformed folks, they would point firstly to the doctrine of justification, the treasury of merit, papal authority, and of course, some of the Marian dogmas.”
There is also the question of exactly when the reformers believe the Church went wrong. It must have been after the construction of the New Testament since the Church had the devine insight to do that correctly.
The Reformers didn’t believe “the church” went wrong, and thus your question is based on a fallacy. Your understanding belies that fact that you anachronistically import your understanding of the church back into the meaning of the church in ages past.
If the Church could infallibly interpret what books were divinely inspired and which were not, how is it inconceivable that the Church would also be able to infallibly interpret the Scripture that it decided upon in the first place?
Well, firstly, you assume that the church does “infallibly interpret the Scripture” to begin with, yet no such infallible interpretation or commentary exists. Since you cannot provide the list of infallibly interpreted verses, nor an infallible commentary on said verses, you cannot make this claim.

Secondly, the inspiration of the canon was not dependent on the church nor was the recognition of the canon dependent on the church, rather, the author of the canon is the same Holy Spirit who moved men, throughout history to recognize (rather than determine) the canon.

Finally, which canon are you referring to, the one recognized and formally declared in the 1500s, more than 140 CENTURIES after the writing? Or do you mean Jerome’s canon… or any of the various other ‘canons’ accepted by the early church?

Your entire premise is based on fallacy from start to finish.

Luther believed it was the papacy that went wrong, not the church.

Micah
 
The problem with Sola Scriptura is, there is no authoritative definition of what it means, everyone has their own definition. There are nearly as many definitions of Sola Scriptura as there are Protestants.
 
The problem with Sola Scriptura is, there is no authoritative definition of what it means, everyone has their own definition. There are nearly as many definitions of Sola Scriptura as there are Protestants.
This is patently untrue.
 
OK, what’s the authoritative definition? And what’s the authority behind the definition?
Sola Scriptura does not, and never has meant that there are NO other authorities, rather, that Scripture is:

“…the whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for God’s glory, man’s salvation, faith and life is set down in Scripture (see 2 Timothy 3:14-17; Hebrews 1-6).”

As James White writes:

"…But sola scriptura does not teach what you are saying it teaches. Let me get the definition clear before we discuss its truthfulness. Sola scriptura teaches that the Scriptures are the sole infallible rule of faith for the Church. The doctrine does not say that there are not other, fallible, rules of faith, or even traditions, that we can refer to and even embrace. It does say, however, that the only infallible rule of faith is Scripture. This means that all other rules, whether we call them traditions, confessions of faith, creeds, or anything else, are by nature inferior to and subject to correction by, the Scriptures. The Bible is an ultimate authority, allowing no equal, nor superior, in tradition or church. It is so because it is theopneustos, God-breathed, and hence embodies the very speaking of God, and must, of necessity therefore be of the highest authority.”
 
The fallacy here is that Rome somehow alleviates this problem…etc.
Got it. You have no defense to support the actual effective working of “sola Scriptura” using the definition you previously proposed so you change the subject.
The fact is, there are similar varying opinions on many different theological subjects within Roman Catholicism. One can accept Molinism while another accepts Thomism…etc.
So it is your opinion that knowing which of these two theological constructs on predestination is the “truth” is essential to one’s salvation. Which does sola Scriptura tell you is the truth then?
No one claims that sola Scriptura
can settle the issue for the entire church at large, that is not what sola Scriptura is about. It seems you want someone to tell you what, when, and how to believe, but the principle undergirding sola Scriptura is that you are in fact responsible to read, listen and believe.
Your patronizing insults aside, then you want to abandon the definition of sola scriptura you previously applauded and too which my reply was addressed.

I can accept that. So what is your new definition.
But that isn’t what sola Scriptura means, in fact, that very principle is opposed to sola Scriptura. All “extra-biblical” revelatory groups such as these deny the very principle. Sola Scriptura is not about what the “holy spirit” reveals to you in opposition to the evident meaning of the text, rather, what the text means in its context. This is why we CAN debate, even with Roman apologists, the meaning of any given text and even come to agreement with same said apologists with any given text.

The example you’re giving here is not someone practicing sola Scriptura, but in fact, is an example of one engaging in “solo” Scriptura. By denying the other authorities that do exist, in acceptance of their own ideas about the text, they come to unsound and unhistorical views.
So you would propose that the way “sola scriptura” actually works is that you discover those things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture guided by “other” authorities as long as they are not “Roman.”

So basically you follow the Catholic approach, you just don’t like the Catholic answers. (no pun intended.)

So while we are changing the subject, what are the “other authorities” and how did you choose them?
Rome has not infallibly defined the meaning of 99% of Scripture, you therefore must use private interpretation (that not meaning an idea that just pops into your head) but your reasoning faculties given to you by God and the illumination
of the Holy Spirit (as opposed to private revelation).
I never claimed “Rome” interpreted scripture for me or in fact that they even need to. This would be your own straw man you are beating up.
This is why the churches of the Reformation, by-in-large, have nearly identical beliefs on the primary issues of the faith. They all ascribe to the ancient creeds and even quote them in their services.
Yeah….right…and you typed that with a straight face? Or do you mean the churches formed “right after” the reformation?
Yes, they differ on secondary and tertiary issues, but as shown, even the authority claims of the Roman See cannot provide the supposed unification that you and other Roman apologists suggest exists within.
You have not “shown” anything, you have simply made a claim about a different subject all together.

So again, while we are changing subjects, what are the “primary issues” that everybody must agree on?

What are the “secondary and tertiary” issues on which we are all free to disagree?

How did you determine which are which?
This is, in fact, one of the central reasons I must reject the Roman claims. For as often as I’m told that I cannot accept “sola Scriptura” and need an infallible interpreter and guide… no such infallible interpretation exists, and the dogmatic claims of Rome are often not only unBiblical but clearly antihistorical as well.
Again off topic, but just for giggles and grins, perhaps you should prove this claim in another thread.
No, Scripture is Scripture, regardless of whether or nor we accept it, or read it. God HAS spoken, and His words are recorded in the pages therein.
Ah the one thing that is almost always the single point of agreement when discussing this subject.

Yeah!

Chuck
 
Got it. You have no defense to support the actual effective working of “sola Scriptura” using the definition you previously proposed so you change the subject.
I changed the subject? Please read again, I was responding to a statement which introduced a fallacy. You might assume I have no defense, but I think I’ve provided it AND have shown why Rome has a double standard when it comes to this subject.
So it is your opinion that knowing which of these two theological constructs on predestination is the “truth” is essential to one’s salvation.
Not at all, again I’m bringing up the fact that Rome has no room to chastise the Protestants for having differing beliefs on secondary and tertiary issues. Saying to me “I know you are but what am I” is not an apologetic.
Which does sola Scriptura tell you is the truth then?
These are not issues the Reformed debate, however, Aquinas was much closer to the truth.

Which of these does Rome tell YOU is the truth???
Your patronizing insults aside, then you want to abandon the definition of sola scriptura you previously applauded and too which my reply was addressed.
No, still you’re attempting to apply to sola Scriptura what you WANT it to mean so you can more easily argue against it. This is a typical strawman argument.
So you would propose that the way “sola scriptura” actually works is that you discover those things that are necessary for salvation by reading scripture guided by “other” authorities as long as they are not “Roman.”
Sola Scriptura stands in opposition to the default Roman position, which claims to define infallibly the beliefs of individuals by decrees of the pope/magisterium etc. Some have called this “sola Ecclesia” and perhaps it fits best, as in the Roman system, the church is the final, ultimate authority even over Scripture.
So basically you follow the Catholic approach, you just don’t like the Catholic answers. (no pun intended.)
If by catholic you mean the approach of the early church fathers, I’ll accept that whole heartedly, but beware, you might find that the ECFs were no modern-day Roman Catholic. And therein lies the problem, Roman Catholics are want to apply to the early church beliefs that were not defined until many centuries after. When one reads the word “eucharist” in the ECFs, most ASSUME that the ECF is talking about the modern understanding, but such is unwarranted and unproven.
So while we are changing the subject, what are the “other authorities” and how did you choose them?
I made careful effort not to insult you, or your beliefs and to present a positive case for sola Scriptura. While I have certainly contrasted what I believe is the case with Rome vs Protestantism, I’ve not used the kind of language and sarcasm that you are using here. Given this attitude you’re taking, I will no longer communicate with you.

If others wish to keep discussing this, I will continue, however, I ask that I not be treated in such a manner. I don’t HAVE to post here, you can all just ask each other questions about what we believe and make assumptions if that is what you wish.

Micah
 
Sola Scriptura does not, and never has meant that there are NO other authorities, rather, that Scripture is:

“…the whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for God’s glory, man’s salvation, faith and life is set down in Scripture (see 2 Timothy 3:14-17; Hebrews 1-6).”
OK, sounds reasonable. Now, does it work? Does everybody who practices SS gain the whole counsel of God? The way it looks to us Catholics is that everybody finds a different counsel in scripture, and not just in details but in the deepest fundamentals. Even to the point where some of that counsel is declared by other Christians to be non-Christian.
 
OK, sounds reasonable. Now, does it work? Does everybody who practices SS gain the whole counsel of God? The way it looks to us Catholics is that everybody finds a different counsel in scripture, and not just in details but in the deepest fundamentals. Even to the point where some of that counsel is declared by other Christians to be non-Christian.
How did it work for a thousand years before the papacy?

Basil the Great sums it up nicely:

*Enjoying as you do the consolation of the Holy Scriptures, you stand in need neither of my assistance nor of that of anybody else to help you comprehend your duty. You have the all-sufficient counsel and guidance of the Holy Spirit to lead you to what is right. *(Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendrikson, 1995), Second Series: Volume VIII, Basil: Letters and Select Works, Letter CCLXXXIII, p. 312).

One could say that Basil here “found a different counsel” than his contemporaries, but to where did he point folks to? There was no firm papacy established, and as a regional bishop he doesn’t suggest that he be the authority.

It is evident that not everyone is gifted with the same amount of knowledge and understanding as others, this is why there are other authorities and the church governance structure, however, one’s conscience is ultimately bound to what Scripture teaches.

Remember, Scripture warns, and the apostles guarantee that apostasy WILL creep into the church, but they also note that is the reason for their writing.
 
I do believe in Sola Scriptura. And since I do, I have come to learn that the bible does not state you should believe in sola scriptura. So if you don’t subscribe to sola scriptura, you are in complete agreement with ALL scripture. Thusly, sola scripura.

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