Sola Scriptura . . .

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**What an interesting thought. However you’re making a self defeating claim. To say that “we can never know just exactly what those truths are” is false because you’re making a claim about the truth itself. **
You mistakenly believe I need to know the Truth to judge SS as unworkable. The fact of the matter is that SS produces a number of possibilities of the truth which all possess various degrees of merit. Unfortunately for SS they are also usually contradictory - and that is the problem. I don’t need to know the Truth or that one of them may actually be the Truth to know that a system which does not allow me to distinguish falsehood from Truth is useless.
Reread this from post #22 - you must have missed it:
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jeremy:
If there are multiple internally logically consistent interpretations of Scripture, then the question is not “Does the Catholic Church teach faith and practice that contradict my current interpretation of Scripture?” but “Does the Catholic Church possess an internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture?” From everything I can see, the answer to the second question is “Yes, it does,” in which case I must choose between my internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture and the Catholic Church’s internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture. Whatever evidence I use to make that decision, it must be evidence that exists outside of Scripture (since, by definition, no Scriptural evidence could contradict an internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture), so whether I choose to continue to hold my internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture or to change my beliefs and hold to the Catholic internally logically consistent interpretation of Scripture, I must integrate some non-Scriptural evidence in making my decision, thus contradicting Sola Scriptura in the process.

The weakest point in this argument is the claim that the Catholic Church possesses an internally consistent interpretation of Scripture, but I’ve not yet found someone who has been able to argue that it does not. Many will try to argue that the Church’s interpretation of Scripture contradicts their interpretation of Scripture, but none have yet been successful arguing that it contradicts its own interpretation of Scripture.

Jeremy
parker:
**…just because you have a fallible knowledge of something doesn’t mean you can’t embrace something infallible. **
**Parker **
This is always the final escape hatch for SS adherents. ‘No knowledge is infallible therefore all knowledge is equally valid.’ is essentially what you claim. Like I said - it becomes useless.
 
I repeat (3rd time in thread)

The Protestant position is that all things necessary ( ← key word) for salvation and concerning faith and life are taught in the BIble clearly enough for the ordinary believer to find it there and understand.
… Did putting the Bible into the hands of the people cause some church divisions? Perhaps, maybe even 33k… But did it bring salvation and deliverance to many? Definitely! Probably 33 million of them! Myself included. Is it worth 33k protestant sects on temporary earth (reluctantly granting this one for the sake of argument) to secure 33 million souls for eternal heaven? I think so.
So to sum it up, all things necessary for salvation are taught clearly enough in the bible for the ordinary believer to understand it, but even if they dont and split off into 33k different sects based on their interpretations of what should be perfectly clear to them, it doesnt matter in the end they go to Heaven anyway? Let me guess - you are not in sales, are you?
 
An interesting sidenote btw…I started typing your screen name out but felt blasphemous to complete it…an active sign of my belief and obedience to the inward conviction of the Holy Spirit at work in my heart and life. Soli Deo Gloria.
You might feel that way…but that is scripturally misguided, else the archangel Gabriel is in deep trouble.

Luke 1:26 And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, 27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
 
a) John 5:39
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

b) John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

c) John 14:16-18
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

d) John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

e) John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

f) John 4:24
"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

g) Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him.
  • note: Scripture, just Scripture.
h) Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

i) The Apostle Paul even referred to Scripture 22 times, James did and Peter did, too.

Are you saying that:
  1. those who say that Scripture alone is not good enough?
  2. those who live on Scripture alone is not right?
  3. those who do not accept Scripture AND RCC traditions are doomed to Hell?
 
a) John 5:39
You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me.

b) John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

c) John 14:16-18
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

d) John 15:26
“But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.

e) John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

f) John 4:24
"God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

g) Acts 8:35
Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning at this Scripture, preached Jesus to him.
  • note: Scripture, just Scripture.
h) Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.

i) The Apostle Paul even referred to Scripture 22 times, James did and Peter did, too.

Are you saying that:
  1. those who say that Scripture alone is not good enough?
  2. those who live on Scripture alone is not right?
  3. those who do not accept Scripture AND RCC traditions are doomed to Hell?
The only Scripture they could be refering to was our Old Testament.
So why don’t you become Jewish. Only they believe in the OT alone, or parts of it, and it does not lead them to become Christians.
  1. So Scripture alone is right?
  2. Our Jewish friends live on Scripture alone - the Scripture of the Apostles.
  3. Who is going to hell?
 
38: And Peter said to them, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39: For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.” Just based upon this alone we have St. Peter’s Pentecost message telling them, to repent, be baptized, and that they will receive the Holy spirit…and that the promise is also to their children and “to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him.”

But they were required to repent and be baptized by the church and receive the holy spirit from that same church which was given in perpetuaty to all christians in all times that all men may be drawn to god.

For another instance, I suggest that we look at Acts 10:44-48
44: While Peter was still saying this, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.
45: And the believers from among the circumcised who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles.
46: For they heard them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,
47: “Can any one forbid water for baptizing these people who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
48: And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days.

Cornelius and the people with him were not apostles, yet this passage tells us that they “have received the Holy Spirit just as we have”, so… I’m sorry but your statement is not accurate according either the New Testament or the teachings of the Church.

note they receive the holy spirit from peter. Yes it happened while peter was speaking. of course there is not really enough context given in your quote to tell what he was talking about or what the cercunstances were for his talk.

I certainly agree with you that the Church is given special graces that keep it squared away with respect to what it teaches, but the idea that only the bishops and the magisterium have the Holy Spirit, (If I have understood your post correctly) is not an accurate statement.🤷
I am horribly sorry if somewhere in there you got the impression that I believe that me and you cannot receive the holy spirit. This was not my intention. I was trying to point out that the church is the instrument of this grace. it was given to her. that same church is promised to be protected against the gates of hell for all of time. she is the instrument by which all men are given the certainty of this grace. outside the church you may be able and some have received the gift of the holy spirit by gods grace and mercy but there is no garentee’s this gift was transmitted to the apostles and through them to the whole world. that was the point. your versus only back up my point.
 
Hey, Kujo, in defending Scripture Alone in a post at 10:31 pm yesterday (sorry, can’t find post number in this window), you offered many quotes, one of which was:

h) Acts 17:11
These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so.


But using that verse to show how **scripture alone **is necessary for salvation has already been shot down without response. Maybe you didn’t see the particular prior posting:
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If one group could be tagged as believers in sola scriptura, who would it be, the Thessalonians or the Bereans? The Thessalonians, obviously. They, like the Bereans, examined the Scriptures with Paul in the synagogue, yet they rejected his teaching. They rejected the new teaching, deciding after three weeks of deliberation that Paul’s word contradicted the Torah. Their decision was not completely unjustified from their scriptural perspective. How could the Messiah of God be cursed by hanging on a tree like a common criminal, publicly displayed as one who bore the judgment of God? What kind of king and Messiah would that be? This seemed irreconcilable to them (see Simon J. Kistemaker, Acts [Grand Rapids, Michigan: Baker Books, 1990], 614).

When some of the Greeks and prominent citizens did accept Jesus as Messiah, the Jews became jealous—and rightfully so, from their perspective, since the new believers separated themselves from the synagogue and began meeting elsewhere, at Jason’s house. The Jews naturally considered themselves the authoritative interpreters of the Torah. Who were the Gentiles to interpret Scripture and decide important theological issues or accept additional revelation? They were the “dogs,” not the chosen custodians of the oracles of God (see William Barclay, The Acts of the Apostles [Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Westminster Press, 1976], 128).

We can see, then, that if anyone could be classified as adherents to sola scriptura it was the Thessalonian Jews. They reasoned from the Scriptures alone and concluded that Paul’s new teaching was “unbiblical.”

The Bereans, on the other hand, were not adherents of sola scriptura, for they were willing to accept Paul’s new oral teaching as the word of God (as Paul claimed his oral teaching was; see 1 Thess. 2:13). The Bereans, before accepting the oral word of God from Paul, a tradition as even Paul himself refers to it (see 2 Thess. 2:15), examined the Scriptures to see if these things were so. They were noble-minded precisely because they “received the word with all eagerness.” Were the Bereans commended primarily for searching the Scriptures? No. Their open-minded willingness to listen was the primary reason they are referred to as noble-minded—not that they searched the Scriptures. A perusal of grammars and commentaries makes it clear that they were “noble-minded” not for studying Scripture, but for treating Paul more civilly than did the Thessalonians—with an open mind and generous courtesy (see I. Howard Marshall, “The Acts of the Apostles” in the Tyndale New Testament Commentaries [Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1981], 5:280).

The Bereans searched the Torah no less than the Thessalonians, yet they were eager to accept words of God from the mouth of Paul, in addition to what they already held to be Scripture, that is, the Law and the Prophets. Even if one claims that Paul preached the gospel and not a “tradition,” it is clear that the Bereans were accepting new revelation that was not contained in their Scriptures. These Berean Jews accepted oral teaching, the tradition of the apostles, as equal to Scripture, in addition to, and as an “extension” of, the Torah. This is further illustrated by the Christian community’s reception of Paul’s epistles as divinely inspired Scripture (see 2 Peter 3:16; here Peter seems to acknowledges Paul’s writings as equal to the “other Scriptures,” which can be presumed to refer to the Old Testament).

From Steve Ray’s article: catholic.com/thisrock/1997/9703fea3.asp

Those who followed the doctrine of sola scriptura, the Thessalonians, rejected the messiah. Those who accepted oral teaching AND scripture, the Bereans, accepted the Gospel.

Additionally, although both groups searched the scriptures, they came to contradictory conclusions about the Messiah. Clearly, scripture alone is insufficient to ensure proper interpretation.
This would sorta tend to undermine your point …
 
Maybe an obvious point, but, again about those 33k+ protestant denominations:

Two contradictory statements cannot both be true. They can both be false, but only one can in logic be true. So, all these 33k sects can in logic ALL be wrong; and again in logic only one of them could be right (assuming Catholics are wrong, of course, and out of the picture).

Say a Protestant is a member of what he sees as the church which holds to the true, Holy Spirit-inspired interpretation of Scripture. Is it really OK with him that there are 32k other denominations who depart, to one degree or another, from the truth of Jesus Christ and therefore depart from Christ Himself?

Jesus Christ is the The Truth. We, as members of His Body, should be one in truth with Him and with each other. Sola Scriptura guarantees disunity within the Body.
 
There is a distinction between the existence of oral tradition and the content of oral tradition.

2 Thess 2:15 has shown that there is oral tradition which we should hold on to.

This fact is all that is needed to refute sola scriptura.

The definition of sola scriptura is:

Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith. (P)

Now, oral tradition is (keep this definition in mind) an infallible rule of faith and is distinct from written tradition. Take the proposition:

Oral tradition is an infallible rule of faith (Q)

Now if Q is true then P is false. That seems to be intuitive. How do we prove Q? Well, we can show an example of an oral tradition. That is a sufficient condition but not a necessary one. We can show that there is an oral tradition that has been passed down.

How?

Well, 2 Thess 2:15. As long as we can show that oral tradition does exist, then P is shown to be false.

from the thoughts of Antonio Latar

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
There is a distinction between the existence of oral tradition and the content of oral tradition.

2 Thess 2:15 has shown that there is oral tradition which we should hold on to.

This fact is all that is needed to refute sola scriptura.

The definition of sola scriptura is:

Scripture is the only infallible rule of faith. (P)

Now, oral tradition is (keep this definition in mind) an infallible rule of faith and is distinct from written tradition. Take the proposition:

Oral tradition is an infallible rule of faith (Q)

Now if Q is true then P is false. That seems to be intuitive. How do we prove Q? Well, we can show an example of an oral tradition. That is a sufficient condition but not a necessary one. We can show that there is an oral tradition that has been passed down.

How?

Well, 2 Thess 2:15. As long as we can show that oral tradition does exist, then P is shown to be false.

from the thoughts of Antonio Latar

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
A) First-hand witnesses write down what they have SEEN, HEARD AND BEEN TOLD TO WRITE (direct words of Jesus).

B) First-hand witnesses TELL people who tell other people who tell others, and so on and on.

When it comes to A, if anybody in the future wants to know what was said, he can simply go to what was written, some of it was written as it happened. What was written can be studied as far as the lifestyle of those who lived in that day and place as well as apply it to our current lives. The books of the New Testament listed after the Gospels show how the first century Church lived their life according to thier relationship with the Messiah.
When it comes to B, well, just simply go to one side of a big group and whisper in one’s ear “7-eleven has a sale on Slurpees” and by the time you get to the other end of the group, you will hear something COMPLETELY different.

When it comes to Eternity, I’d bet mine on A.

If your “traditions” contradict the Word, then you need new traditions.

I’d like to study the life and worship practices of a Messianic Jew. Sounds more like sound doctrine than a religion who’s leaders lie about their priests forbidding to marry:

In a tract called “Celibacy and the Priesthood”, offered at Catholic.com, in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, “. . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry.” But then, “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,

"It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.

Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests."

It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, “forbidding to marry”, not “forbidding to marry as human beings.”

1 Timothy 4:3

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Canons 1251 and 1252 say that Catholics are commanded to abstain from foods.

So far, Scripture stands true while “traditions” make the believer stray from Scripture.
 
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kujo313:
When it comes to B, well, just simply go to one side of a big group and whisper in one’s ear “7-eleven has a sale on Slurpees” and by the time you get to the other end of the group, you will hear something COMPLETELY different.
Try this.
St. John the Apostle, who wrote, taught the Bishop St. Polycarp - who wrote.
St. Irenaeus, who became a bishop, knew St. Polycarp - and he wrote also.

And so on and so on down through the centuries, so that anyone now can see for themselves what the Church taught from the beginning.
 
Try this.
St. John the Apostle, who wrote, taught the Bishop St. Polycarp - who wrote.
St. Irenaeus, who became a bishop, knew St. Polycarp - and he wrote also.

And so on and so on down through the centuries, so that anyone now can see for themselves what the Church taught from the beginning.
I’d rather it be:

John wrote, Polycarp copied, Irenaeus copied because the latest popes made some historical rules of their own just like others before them did, too.
 
I’d rather it be:

John wrote, Polycarp copied, Irenaeus copied because the latest popes made some historical rules of their own just like others before them did, too.
The Apostles did not teach by writing, generally.
Possibly four Apostles wrote short accounts of Christs life.
Sts. Peter and Paul wrote internal Church letters.
The Apostle then tells you that the world could not hold all the books that could be written. And also tells you to hold fast to what you have learned either by word of mouth or by letter.
Most Apostolic teaching was oral, by word of mouth.
So the best people to ask, after the Apostles, are the disciples and friends of the Apostles, the Bishops, who certainly wrote about the Church.
St. Polycarp was a Bishop, you can be sure he copied everything from his friend the Apostle St. John. Likewise St. Irenaeus, who met St Polycarp, was a Bishop also and was taught in the same way I’m sure as all potential Catholic Bishops were.
 
If your “traditions” contradict the Word, then you need new traditions.
This is the kind of statement people make who are uneducated about Catholicism. There are no contradictions. If there appear to be, it is because the reader either does not understand the scripture correctly, or does not understand the teaching correctly. It also reveals a protestant mindset. It is not appropriate to throw out the traditions that were handed down to us from the Apostles and make “new ones” just because they don’t seem to make sense to outsiders.
Code:
Sounds more like sound doctrine than a religion who's leaders lie about their priests forbidding to marry:
This kind of statement is made by a person who does not understand the teaching of the church on celibacy of priests.
Code:
In a tract called "Celibacy and the Priesthood", offered at Catholic.com, in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, ". . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry." But then, "speaking lies in hypocrisy" (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,
"It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.

Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests."

It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, “forbidding to marry”, not “forbidding to marry as human beings.”
I Timothy 4:3
Do you not agree that it is a full time calling to be a husband and father? Do you not agree that it is a full time calling to be a pastor? Why do you think Paul wrote “it is better for everyone to be as I am”? Why do you think that jesus taught that those who could receive celibacy should do so?
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Canons 1251 and 1252 say that Catholics are commanded to abstain from foods.

So far, Scripture stands true while “traditions” make the believer stray from Scripture.
There is a far cry from fasting for spiritual enrichment, and forbidding foods. Do you not believe in fasting, either? If you think the Catholic fasting practices are strict, you should study the Eastern Orthodox! Jesus said that when the bridegroom was gone, His disciples would fast. We do this in preparation for His glorious return. All foods are received with thanksgiving, even those from which we may abstain on a certain day or time of the year.
I’d rather it be:

John wrote, Polycarp copied, Irenaeus copied because the latest popes made some historical rules of their own just like others before them did, too.
Maybe it is better that the truth is not according to how you would “rather it be”. This is a protestant attitude, and reveals a rebellious attitude toward Christ and His teachings. Jesus commanded us to come to Him, to believe, and to obey Him. How you would “rather it be” is really quite irrelevant. The fact is that the Apostles and their disciples taught the truth of Christ in each generation that followed. These teachings have been handed down to us according to the order that Jesus established. You are free to reject this order, and pursue how you would “rather it be”, but that will not change the truth.

It seems that you have received quite a bit of erroneous teaching about Catholicism. Did this happen because you refuse to study the practices of the early church? Is that a result of Sola Scriptura?
 
A) First-hand witnesses write down what they have SEEN, HEARD AND BEEN TOLD TO WRITE (direct words of Jesus).In a tract called “Celibacy and the Priesthood”, offered at Catholic.com, in which they attempt to justify the unholy ways of the Catholic Church. In this tract, they write, “. . . the Catholic Church does not forbid anyone to marry.” But then, “speaking lies in hypocrisy” (1 Timothy 4:2) in the next paragraph they state,

"It is true that Catholic priests in the West may not be married, but no one is obliged to become a priest.

Marriage is not forbidden to them as human beings, but as priests."

It is still forbidden! 1 Timothy 4:3 simply says, “forbidding to marry”, not “forbidding to marry as human beings.”
When a man marries, he is then forbidden to partake of the “fruits” of any woman other than his wife.

He has made a voluntary choice of which woman he wants to marry, and it is assumed that no one has forced him to select one over another. In fact, in the event that someone is forced to marry, that is grounds for an annulment of the marriage.

In the case of the priesthood, God calls some men to the priesthood, and the Church requires that priest remain celibate (as Paul was) for the sake of the kingdom. Not all can or will say “yes” to the invitation.

No one is forced to enter the priesthood. Those who choose to do so, accept freely that they cannot enjoy the “fruit” of a woman.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
Are you saying that:
  1. those who say that Scripture alone is not good enough?
  2. those who live on Scripture alone is not right?
  3. those who do not accept Scripture AND RCC traditions are doomed to Hell?
  1. Yes. Scripture Alone is unbiblical and not good enough.
    Here are two questions that illustrate this:
A. Did public revelation end with the death of the last Apostle, and why do you believe this since there is no instruction along these lines within the Bible itself?

B. What books should and should not be included within the canon of the New Testament, and why do you believe this since there is no inerrant list of “God-breathed” scripture within the Bible itself?

Both questions must be answered on the basis of something outside the Bible. That something must be “infallible”, and it is binding upon the consciences of all believers.
  1. Yes. Those who live on “Scripture Alone” are hampered by an imperfect and incomplete knowledge of the Word of God which is found in its fullness in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition as interpreted by the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.
  2. Not necessarily. But why take chances? 🙂
Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
A) First-hand witnesses write down what they have SEEN, HEARD AND BEEN TOLD TO WRITE (direct words of Jesus).

B) First-hand witnesses TELL people who tell other people who tell others, and so on and on.

When it comes to A, if anybody in the future wants to know what was said, he can simply go to what was written, some of it was written as it happened. What was written can be studied as far as the lifestyle of those who lived in that day and place as well as apply it to our current lives. The books of the New Testament listed after the Gospels show how the first century Church lived their life according to thier relationship with the Messiah.
When it comes to B, well, just simply go to one side of a big group and whisper in one’s ear “7-eleven has a sale on Slurpees” and by the time you get to the other end of the group, you will hear something COMPLETELY different.

When it comes to Eternity, I’d bet mine on A.
Then you’d lose your bet.

Banking on flawed misinterpretations of the written Word of God is a dangerous thing.

Consider why we have courts to interpret contracts and a Supreme Court to interpret the constitution. A written document cannot explain itself.

You as a believer are not guaranteed to infallibly interpret the Bible. The Catholic Church, on the other hand, has been protected from error by the Holy Spirit with regard to matters of faith and morals.

Therefore, given the choice between following the teachings of the Church and the Bible Alone (a false dichotomy, btw), you have to go with the Church which can interpret that same Bible for you infallibly.

In other words, by betting on the Church, you get both the Bible and an infallible interpretation of it.

By going it alone with the Bible, you are, well, alone. Funny how Satan is able to take advantage of us when we are all by ourselves; he has been known to distort the scriptures a time or two.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
"Kujo313:
  1. those who do not accept Scripture AND RCC traditions are doomed to Hell?
  1. Not necessarily. But why take chances? 🙂
Why go into battle without your best weapons?
Why go into the Super Bowl without your best players?
Why do you fight Satan without taking advantage of the benefits of the Eucharist, Penance, the Communion of Saints, etc.?

It just doesn’t make sense!!!
 
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