Sola Scripturist Catholic

[goout]

Every authority on earth occurs through the excercise of human reason.

Therefore, what was the reasoning process?

The technical/historical aspects of the question have been answered above.

As for your question about reason, reason is a human attribute, employed by human persons. Reason is also integrated with faith. The mind and the heart are one in a fully integrated person.
Through adherence (or faith) to Christ, the Church has “told the story” of Jesus Christ through Scripture and Tradition in the living Magisterium. All points to Christ. The human reasoning process is what it is. Human reason is not definitive.

Your premise is that scripture is:

therefore ontologically superior to either tradition or the magisterium.

Not only that, but both tradition and the magisterium are subject to and normed by sacred scripture. Absolutely.

And what we are telling you is that is not correct. These are all integrated in the Church.

Imagine yourself at a funeral home.
Most people display loads of pictures that tell the story of their loved one. You can look and see what a person looked like, where they went to school, perhaps see their degrees on paper.
And at the same time…
The family is present. How can the picture boards and degrees tell more of a person than the flesh and blood of this person that is living?
They both reveal the same person.

 

[StAugustine]

But the Church is built upon the apostles and prophets, the testimonies of the scripture. “To the Law and to the Testimony.” “Do not go beyond what is written.”

Therefore, they are primary, and being primary, they are the standard, and being the standard, every other standard is subordinate.

This is not necessarily a Protestant position, if we simply acknowledge that God himself holds the tradition and magisterium in subjection to the scripture, with the result being- non- contradiction.

But, you can’t use God-given authority as an opt-out or a replacement for human reason- for God uses his creation according to its nature. Therefore, though he protects the Church from misidentifying Scripture, it is not apart from the active reasoning process of man.

What did that reasoning process of the fathers entail? It is the nature of a cult to use authority as a shield against inquiry.

Now, I won’t call the Catholic Church a cult. But many leaders have had a history of sidestepping difficult questions via an appeal to authority. I don’t accept the sidestepping.

 

[goout]

You have to start with the fact that Christ is himself the full and final revelation of God. Everything else flows from him and leads to him.
Through him, with him, and in him.

Christ is a person, not a book.

 

[hmikell7]

I don’t know why, but the topic header ‘Sola Scripturist Catholic’ instantly made me think of that “change my mind” meme

 

[tafan2]

Now, I won’t call the Catholic Church a cult. But many leaders have had a history of sidestepping difficult questions via an appeal to authority. I don’t accept the sidestepping.

What are you talking about? The Catholic Church has always been the most willing to address difficult issues. The Catholic Church has always held theology up to be the queen of the sciences. And the Church does this, despite the dangers that occur to many of the theologians and their students. Why? Because the Church is absolutely not afraid of the truth or of reason. You will find no other church or denomination in the world that puts more effort into further understanding and explaining difficult issues. Heck, even for us lay people, look at out Catechism. Find an equivalent document anywhere.

And if I may, you seem to be the one who wants to sidestep difficult issues. You don’t answer questions, and you seem to ignore answers to your questions that don’t fit your preconceived notion.

 

[StAugustine]

Well look, no more
Devils advocate-

Because the OT has pointed to Christ, we must accept who he is, apart from the inspiration of the NT and simply as a matter of historical fact.

And the facts are he instituted one church and conveyed his authority to the priests to make decisions binding on the consciences of the faithful. I acknowledge this.

I just don’t appreciate the easy dismissal of Protestants when they have semi-decent explanations for their position.

I don’t approve of burning straw men, so I want to fight through real objections with real replies, not with simple truisms, that’s all.