Solemn Pontifical High Mass (EF) - is this one a good example?

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Searching for representative examples of the EF Mass, I recently stumbled across this YouTube video: Solemn Pontifical High Mass of the Extraordinary Form with Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone

I was hoping that the resident experts on the EF here could offer some commentary on this particular Mass. Is it a truly good example of a High Mass of the EF? What about the setting, surroundings, attendants, etc.?

Also, any other good videos available on the internet (Low or High Mass)?
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Searching for representative examples of the EF Mass, I recently stumbled across this YouTube video: Solemn Pontifical High Mass of the Extraordinary Form with Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone

I was hoping that the resident experts on the EF here could offer some commentary on this particular Mass. Is it a truly good example of a High Mass of the EF? What about the setting, surroundings, attendants, etc.?

Also, any other good videos available on the internet (Low or High Mass)?
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I didn’t watch the whole thing, but from what I saw, it seems to be a quite common pontifical high Mass (if you can call a pontifical Mass common, but you know what I mean).

Nothing really out of the ordinary, other than the fact that it’s not in a church, but that’s because the conference the Mass was part of was in a hotel.

The canons at St. John Cantius also do a very good job in the EF (and the OF, for that matter). They have created many videos to assist people in learning and learning about the EF. Here they are:

sanctamissa.org/en/tutorial/sample-liturgies.html
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Interestingly, you’ll find the same Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone celebrating Many of the Pontifical Masses in those videos too (I believe).
 
The first video shows a Pontifical Mass as commonly celebrated, with one exception. The men in capes, who are priests of the ICRSS, here function as representatives of the Archbishop’s “household,” and the only role of theirs is to basically perform the lavabo. Other than that they are eye candy. Most Pontifical Masses I have seen do not include these even though they are part of the rite.
 
superamazingman said:
Anything you’re looking for in particular with this question of yours?
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No hidden agenda here - just pure and genuine interest. I had never seen a Pontifical High Mass (at least not EF Roman Rite) before spotting this video (a few others surfaced afterward, including two others with now Archbishop Cordileone as main celebrant).

As for my own observations. I suppose the setting struck me at first, and also the number of clergy and servers involved in the celebration, especially given the close quarters of the space and in relation to the size of the congregation present.

Also, the duration of the vesting rite at the beginning, and the level of clergy involved (priests, I presume) were surprising in comparison to the same in Byzantine tradition (where sub-deacons would assist in the actual vesting, with prayers of vesting facilitated by the most senior deacon present).

My only basis of comparison is to both the Pontifical Divine Liturgy (Byzantine Rite) and Solemn Papal Mass (OF), with which I am most familiar.
 
YoungTradCath said:
The first video shows a Pontifical Mass as commonly celebrated, with one exception. The men in capes, who are priests of the ICRSS, here function as representatives of the Archbishop’s “household,” and the only role of theirs is to basically perform the lavabo. Other than that they are eye candy. Most Pontifical Masses I have seen do not include these even though they are part of the rite.
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Thank you for that observation and commentary. I was indeed curious as to their identity and function.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
No hidden agenda here - just pure and genuine interest. I had never seen a Pontifical High Mass (at least not EF Roman Rite) before spotting this video (a few others surfaced afterward, including two others with now Archbishop Cordileone as main celebrant).

As for my own observations. I suppose the setting struck me at first, and also the number of clergy and servers involved in the celebration, especially given the close quarters of the space and in relation to the size of the congregation present.

Also, the duration of the vesting rite at the beginning, at the level of clergy involved (priests, I presume) were surprising in comparison to the same in Byzantine tradition.

My only basis of comparison is to both the Pontifical Divine Liturgy (Byzantine Rite) and Solemn Papal Mass (OF), with which I am most familiar.
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As for the close quarters, it really depends on the church. Quite often, though, it’s much more open and celebrated in a bigger sanctuary. I understand it was so tight out of necessity in that case, because, as I mentioned, there was no easily accessible church. Almost every other I’ve seen is in a church.
 
superamazingman said:
As for the close quarters, it really depends on the church. Quite often, though, it’s much more open and celebrated in a bigger sanctuary. I understand it was so tight out of necessity in that case, because, as I mentioned, there was no easily accessible church. Almost every other I’ve seen is in a church.
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It had the look and feel of a crypt church, which in and of itself has some appeal. I did not think it at all inappropriate, but rather unexpected for the reasons you mention regarding the more typical setting.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
As for my own observations. I suppose the setting struck me at first, and also the number of clergy and servers involved in the celebration, especially given the close quarters of the space and in relation to the size of the congregation present.

Also, the duration of the vesting rite at the beginning, and the level of clergy involved (priests, I presume) were surprising in comparison to the same in Byzantine tradition (where sub-deacons would assist in the actual vesting, with prayers of vesting facilitated by the most senior deacon present).
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Had it been celebrated at an enormous cathedral church, it would have been much smoother. And actually, the men helping the archbishop vest were priests, yes, but they were acting as deacon and subdeacon. The man in cope was a “priest assistant.” Those in the blue and white things, which I think are hideous!, were of course acolytes of the ICRSS.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
It had the look and feel of a crypt church, which in and of itself has some appeal. I did not find it all inappropriate, but rather unexpected for the reasons you mention regarding the more typical setting.
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I believe it was actually a wine cellar, and I really liked it too. For not being a church, they found a good spot for their chapel and made the sanctuary very dignified with what they could do.
 
I’ll confess that I am not familiar with the ICRSS. Perhaps the style of vestment of the acolytes and priest assistants did catch my attention as well, without really making the connection.

I now have a new research subject 🙂
 
ByzCathCantor said:
I’ll confess that I am not familiar with the ICRSS. Perhaps the style of vestment of the acolytes and priest assistants did catch my attention as well, without really making the connection.

I now have a new research subject 🙂
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Liturgy geeks, unite!
 
YoungTradCath said:
Those in the blue and white things, which I think are hideous!, were of course acolytes of the ICRSS.
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You don’t like the blue mozzetta? I love the ICRSS choir dress. It’s so different from the boring old black cassock with white surplice, but still very traditional. My understanding is that blue is used on account of the consecration to Our Lady that the priests and oblates of the Institute make.
 
IesumPerMariam said:
You don’t like the blue mozzetta? I love the ICRSS choir dress. It’s so different from the boring old black cassock with white surplice, but still very traditional. My understanding is that blue is used on account of the consecration to Our Lady that the priests and oblates of the Institute make.
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I like it too, but to each his own.
 
IesumPerMariam said:
You don’t like the blue mozzetta? I love the ICRSS choir dress. It’s so different from the boring old black cassock with white surplice, but still very traditional. My understanding is that blue is used on account of the consecration to Our Lady that the priests and oblates of the Institute make.
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I like the choir dress of the priests and oblates, yes. I do not like what the altar boys wear. That is what I meant. It looks very “French” to me, although there is nothing wrong with French Catholicism! After all, the ICRSS is a French organization.
 
YoungTradCath said:
I like the choir dress of the priests and oblates, yes. I do not like what the altar boys wear. That is what I meant. It looks very “French” to me, although there is nothing wrong with French Catholicism! After all, the ICRSS is a French organization.
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Yes, it certainly is a distinctively French Baroque style. They tend to be great acolytes, from what I’ve experienced.
 
Before this post gets too liturgically geeky, here is a link to the most beautiful low Mass I have ever seen. I think YoungTradCath posted this many moons ago.
 
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