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Is there a term for solipsism with a belief in God? Please explain.
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It almost dips into the idea of patheism, nothing but God and self. I’m trying to find the correct term. Thanks
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Oreoracle
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Define “God” first.
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James_S_Saint
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In solipsism, you are the only existence. Everything else is just your imagination.
But if you accept that you function by any particular principle, then that principle becomes the God of your imagination and you, thus of all existence.
Of course, that would mean accepting a realm of the Divine within which that God existed. The only problem with that is that other solipsists would claim that your Divine realm is only your imagination (and would have significant reason to back that up). You would end up in equal arguments about whether your God really existed. You would have to argue that you must certainly function by some principle and thus that principle must exist even if nothing else did.
All in all, I suspect it wouldn’t be much different than the normal variety of argumentation.
You could all spend perhaps the next few thousand years arguing the existence of your God, but eventually it would all boil down to a matter of FAITH …haha.
But if you accept that you function by any particular principle, then that principle becomes the God of your imagination and you, thus of all existence.
Of course, that would mean accepting a realm of the Divine within which that God existed. The only problem with that is that other solipsists would claim that your Divine realm is only your imagination (and would have significant reason to back that up). You would end up in equal arguments about whether your God really existed. You would have to argue that you must certainly function by some principle and thus that principle must exist even if nothing else did.
All in all, I suspect it wouldn’t be much different than the normal variety of argumentation.
You could all spend perhaps the next few thousand years arguing the existence of your God, but eventually it would all boil down to a matter of FAITH …haha.
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Why would I argue when I can just hit the ignore button and poof, you don’t exsisit anymore.?
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I proposed nothing, just simply asked a question. ****ers always looking for a fight. Solipsism is the internets silenced pistol. Zap, your gone.lol
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Peggy_in_Burien
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TOP, you said you were looking for a word that covered the situation of being a solipisist and believing in God…
Would the word “vanity” cover it? If someone believes that they are the only being out there, but believes in God, maybe they are vain.
Just a thought…
Would the word “vanity” cover it? If someone believes that they are the only being out there, but believes in God, maybe they are vain.
Just a thought…
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Good answer!! One worth pondering. I’ve looked into the theory’s behind ID, ego, superego and it is largely based in vanity. Hell, even seeing your own words reflected of the forums of CAF is a form of vanity, but solipisism is ego on the extreme.TOP, you said you were looking for a word that covered the situation of being a solipisist and believing in God…
Would the word “vanity” cover it? If someone believes that they are the only being out there, but believes in God, maybe they are vain.
Just a thought…
What I propose is that there are other beings, created by God, each in a personal journey to bring that soul to Him, but not in the same way or even exsistance. Pretty wacked, huh.
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Peggy_in_Burien
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No, TOP, it is not wacked at all. C.S.Lewis wrote a triology of books on the subject, which I am in the middle of reading. Perelandra is the second in the three. I think you would enjoy it, if you haven’t already read it.
What you are proposing is the stuff of which good speculative fiction is made.
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Thanks. Jesus did say, what you do to others, you do to me. People become a veil in a way. I can’t put my finger on it, but something is off in this world, almost unreal. There’s a term called dissassociation in which people with ptsd have such a life altering experience and their perception is so drastically changed, they have to learn to cope in their new exsistance. I don’t want to get any deeper then that, but who are the angels and devils in this world, designed by God to get the soul to it’s final destination. Just some idea’s. I would like to look into those books.
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Something interesting. St. John Bosco had a dream/vision of the eternal state of his boy’s he was teaching. He saw some tumble into the bronze gates of hell, but it is said he never lost a boy, one becoming a Saint. Eternal exsistance as compared to our perception of our own state doesn’t always mesh. And perception is subjective, but believers agree their is an objective truth, at least I believe in an objective truth, more so then in peoples subjective perception, which may be their own journey, even detached to an individual exsistance. Hmmm. Just tinkering with the membrane.
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That is one of the reasons I am a believer in the Catholic Faith. The Church presents an objective Truth which never changes. All the “world” can change and waver, and go back and forth in what it wants to call “truth”, but it is all relative to what the “world” wants at the moment. The Truth never changes.
The world will never mesh with the Truth, Jesus tells us this. If we keep hanging onto the Truth, and following the Truth, we will ultimately arrive at our true home, which is Heaven.
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In the passion of the Christ, Pilate asked his wife, what is truth?. She said, if you don’t know, I can’t tell you. He had just questioned Christ and after he was done, facing Truth incarnate, he still didn’t know. Makes you wonder if Calvin was right about predestination and the passage that says, those who hear my voice…they are mine and recognise my voice…, but what of those who don’t hear. In justice, they must have some chance in their subjective reality formed in this world. It is easier to question the world and it’s inhabitants then objective truth as Pilate did questioning his wife. It is easier to deny the creature then the creator, thus making solipsism an easy out for a believer. Know what I mean?
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What got me thinking about this again was the other night, I was watching Gladiator on TBS. They where pantheist, I think and before contest, the slave owner would say to the fighter, we are but shadows and dust. The general joked before battle, that if you find yourself in green fields with the sun of your face, do not be troubled, because you are in alesim and are already dead. I thought that was funny.
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lol, you know Patton thought he was Ceaser reborn or was it Alexander the Great. I guess that’s one coping skill.
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