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marvinb1
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I have a solution. Catholics should go to pp and tell evey women going in that we will buy their baby. that way we can raise them catholic and get rid of all the side probloms of making abortion illegal.
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DebChris
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Babies are not commodities to be bought and sold on the Black Market.
What many of the women walking into pp to not know is that there are other alternatives.
There are Christian centers that provide guidance such as letting a college athlete know about redlining. Families may provide for the welfare of the mother during the pregnancy and then arrange for an open adoption after.
What many of the women walking into pp to not know is that there are other alternatives.
There are Christian centers that provide guidance such as letting a college athlete know about redlining. Families may provide for the welfare of the mother during the pregnancy and then arrange for an open adoption after.
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Debora123
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This is kind of a weird statement. 
Though honestly, I doubt it would make a difference whatsoever. Women already know that the option to set their babies up for adoption is out there, they just choose not to take that route because they don’t want to be pregnant for 7 more months (or whatever it would be…).
Though honestly, I doubt it would make a difference whatsoever. Women already know that the option to set their babies up for adoption is out there, they just choose not to take that route because they don’t want to be pregnant for 7 more months (or whatever it would be…).
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DebChris
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Babies are not a commodity. There already is a black market for babies.
Women considering abortion need to know there are alternatives.
The following are telephone numbers for women in crisis.
priestsforlife.org/brochures/counsel.html
Women considering abortion need to know there are alternatives.
The following are telephone numbers for women in crisis.
priestsforlife.org/brochures/counsel.html
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carn
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As far as i know this is not true.
And it also looks doubtful comparing the number of abortions and adoptions.
At least some women do not want to suffer the social or economic consequences (e.g. job loss) of being pregnant and giving away the baby, with abortion the news of being pregnant and not wanting the baby can often be hidden. They see no reason, why they should face all these problems
And at least some other see no reason, why they should burden themselves with provinding others with a child.
There are other reasons, but at least for these two the OP post would have a answer that might be sufficient to some:
Because you get paid.
And i do not think it would be intrinsically evil to offer such a thing, because paying a ransom is also not evil and the situation is similar enough, as in both cases someones life is in peril and the one being in control might be satisfied with being given money.
Of course, practically this idea will not help, as all those people considering it a womens right to have a doctor tearing her child apart, would be horrified at seeling the same child. Though i do not understand why.
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nordskoven
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I think ransoming babies is a grand idea. One reason abortion is attractive to couples married and unmarried is the looming potential for a split that brings legal demands for child support; and the jailing of non-supportive fathers even of children in foster care; and the attendant job loss of said incarcerated fathers. The author of Coming Apart that studied the chasm between rich and poor showed poor males don’t get married anymore, and don’t have or want babies. I suggest these males abort their babies and economics isn’t strictly the issue. We have been poorer and had higher birth rates than today’s below-replacement rate. The new twist is jailing non-supporting fathers, debtor’s prison for deadbeat dads…And some who are not deadbeats, if hearings show they were…ooops!..up to date on support payments. Suggesting adoption is iffy because if their baby is born, they are open to child support incarceration if an adoption isn’t forthcoming. So the IRS Adoption Credit is relieving some warehoused children and getting deadbeat dads off the hook but killing the child before it is born is the 100 per cent safe bet when, not poverty, but jail is looming. IRS deductions for children have not kept pace with inflation, so their seemingly pro-family Adoption Credit is a little disingenuous. Back to the original suggestion, yes, may God grant us immediate the instant adoption/ransom at the door of abortion clinics, removing any legal responsibility for the child’s welfare which may be the deciding factor in chosing life for some couples. I really like how Debora123 thinks. God bless her and those like her. Hope this can work.
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MaryandJoseph
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Offering a woman money for her child so she will NOT have s/he murdered in an abortion mill. Sounds good in theroy, but then there is the expense of pre-natal care and all other expenses associated with being pregnant, would those who offer to “purchase” the child be also willing to incur These expenses? I pray the answer would be YES!!!
Strange reality is though, children are purchased everyday, and its LEGAL
A co-worker of my husband just adopted a beautiful baby girl at the whopping cost of $50.000: He and his wife had to go to China to do so as an American newborn would have cost to much money (as if 50.000 was not high enough) I wish someone could explain WHY it cost so much.
I wonder also, how many women would get pregnant JUST so they could sell their baby
Strange reality is though, children are purchased everyday, and its LEGAL
A co-worker of my husband just adopted a beautiful baby girl at the whopping cost of $50.000: He and his wife had to go to China to do so as an American newborn would have cost to much money (as if 50.000 was not high enough) I wish someone could explain WHY it cost so much.I wonder also, how many women would get pregnant JUST so they could sell their baby
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DebChris
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The cost of having a child is used as a reason that women seek abortions.
Instead of “buying the child,” the mother needs to know there are people who care about both her and her baby. She can receive the help she needs from Birthright centers.
birthright.org/
Instead of “buying the child,” the mother needs to know there are people who care about both her and her baby. She can receive the help she needs from Birthright centers.
birthright.org/
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carn
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Therefore at least in theory the option to collect ransom money for the child, should show this argument is a lie.
But i suspect most pro-choice already know its a lie and actually want choice for other reasons.
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DebChris
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Most of the women who seek abortions are scared. Many are coerced by boyfriends and others to “get rid of it.” The baby is an inconvenience that brings expenses along with other life changes. What these women need to know is that there are loving alternatives available. Treating the child as a commodity to be bought and sold is not one of them. Helping the mother with financial assistance in the form of free clothes and medical care is. Empowering the mother to choose life with friendship and emotional support during a difficult time is what she needs.
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BillP
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You do realize that aside from pregnancy tests and baby clothes Birthright (as good as it is) doesn’t actually provide ANY material services, right? They provide referrals to whatever social services exist in the local community, which in many, many communities isn’t very much.
Quite honestly there isn’t nearly as much help out there as their should be out there for pregnant women, but of course providing the levels of social services needed would require a vast expansion of the safety net and put us ever closer to those Socialist Europeans…
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DebChris
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What Birthright provides, according to its website is
Completely confidential help
Friendship and emotional support
Free pregnancy testing
Medical referrals
Legal referrals
Educational assistance and referrals
Maternity and baby clothes
Housing referrals
Referrals to social agencies
Referrals for professional counseling
Information on:
Prenatal development
Job search/career development
Adoption
Pregnancy & childbirth
Child care options
Child safety issues
The woman still has difficult decisions to make. These decisions remain hers.
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BillP
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My point is that Birthright doesn’t feed, house or care for the mothers or children medically, they “refer” them to whatever resources are available locally, which in many, many, communities isn’t nearly enough to make carrying the baby to term a viable option.
This isn’t a slam on Birthright, they do all they can with their resources, but I mention it to say we can’t just dismiss the issue by saying “well there are organizations such as Birthright that provide a viable alternative to abortion” when they don’t.
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Rainaldo
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The sale and purchase of human beings has been illegal in the United States since the 1860s.
Just sayin’.
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in_servitude
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True - but I do not believe that the OP is saying that the baby is a slave after being “purchased.”
The use of the term “buy” is a problem for the concept - but I think this one has some merit. The issue is the unintended consequence - people adjust to the realities of the overall system. If it was possible to pay for only those babies that wold have been killed otherwise, I think this is not a bad idea. But, it will not be possible to do that. Those women who have already decided to carry their baby for the purposes of adoption may wish to take a share of the payments.
Perhaps you could take a survey in a PP and see what the women think of the idea?
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Rainaldo
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LOL I never said anything about slavery. Anyway what prevents a woman from getting pregnant for the sake of exchanging the baby for money? My girlfriend and I could really use some cash and we don’t mind waiting nine months for it, if the price is right.
Oh - and will prenatal care be part of the package deal? Or would it just be “cash on delivery”, as it were? [pun intended]
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thistle
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Frankly that’s a stupid suggestion!
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RastaPasta
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It really is a sad day in America, when we spend our time trying to figure out how to keep a child alive in this country.
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