Some disturbing reflections on wafers

[Malachi4U]

Madaglan:

…“Yeah, but you can’t really chew the wafer! It just dissoves in your mouth, like m & m’s. It’s unleaven bread, not leaven bread. It’s not like you get a wad of Italian bread to put in your mouth. It would makes sense to chew that but not a wafer” And then I started thinking: the Orthodox use leaven bread, so they can actually chew that, even if it is mixed with a little wine.

Gods peace be with you Madaglan,

Just a note here to correct you post. Once a priest prays over the ‘waffer’ and the ‘wine’ and consecrates it, it is no longer a ‘wffer’ or ‘cracker’ or ‘wine’, it become the precious ‘Body’ and ‘Blood’ of Jesus Christ our personnal Lord and savior. True, in protestant sects it does remain bread and wine but not in a Catholic mass.

By the way, part of the Great Schism of 1054 was in part due to leavened or unleavened bread.

 

[Pug]

ByzCath:

That is to say levaned bread is invalid matter in the Mass and unlevaned bread is invalid matter in the Divine Liturgy.

In the Latin rite leavened bread is valid matter. It is just illicit, or illegal or not supposed to be done. The consecration would still “work”, of course.

I understand the word “invalid” to mean the consecration would not work, like if a priest tried to consecrate pizza.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Malachi4U:

By the way, part of the Great Schism of 1054 was in part due to leavened or unleavened bread.

I have never heard this before, do you have references to it?

Even if it was, it is a non-issue today as the Byzantine Catholics use leavened bread.

 

[Defensor_Fidei]

Madaglan:

By the way, why do we use unleaven bread as opposed to leaven bread, especially when we cannot chew unleaven bread as Christ commands? What does it have to do with the traditional Passover bread?

Tradition! (add Fiddler on the Roof music)

I just wrote a paper on Communion in the hand. There are some references to it.

signumcrucis.net/cih.htm

The use of unleavened bread really did not take a position of predominace until later in the Church. Fortescue, Jungmann and Kucharek all allude to this. They also allude that the shift to unleavened bread may be connected to receiving communion in the tongue.

I chew the host.

-Ted