Some people are not suited to being Christian

[Brucejlb]

The Bible does not teach there is a hell fire. Do some research. The word “hell” comes from the Greek word “hai’des” and the Hebrew word “sheol”.
In Its original languages, the Bible uses the Hebrew word sheʼohlʹ and its Greek equivalent haiʹdes more than 70 times. Both words are related to death. Some Bible translations render them as “grave,” hell,” or “pit.”
Ecclesiastes 9:10 states: “There is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave [“Sheol,” where you are going.”

 

[phil19034]

I think Buddhism can help some OCDers psychologically. As long as they avoid the dogmas such as reincarnation. And of course therapies such as CBT are useful.
My assertion is that some OCDers who have a mild dose can actually do quite well. It is the severe cases that concern me.

No, no, no. What can help is prayer. The Rosary, the Divine Merry Chaplet, or even buy SoulCore videos and doing those at home.

Why take up Buddhism meditation when you can focus on God’s love for us and pray the Rosary or Chaplet?

 

[goodcatholic]

No, no, no. What can help is prayer. The Rosary, the Divine Merry Chaplet, or even buy SoulCore videos and doing those at home.

One size fits all advice. Not all Catholics say the Rosary for a start.

 

[goodcatholic]

Very interesting that as a catholic you suggest Christians take up Buddism

If I thought that way I would not call my self a good catholic.

You mean heretical? :slight_smile:No I like to challenge our assumptions.
I honestly think that Christianity is not for everyone. In this case, the severely mentally ill.
Just because I believe that Christianity is the truth I’m not going to force my belief onto someone. If we follow your thinking and others on here, we will force Christianity on someone whether it is for their wellbeing or not.

 

[Greenfields]

There is no forcing ,there is only as a believer of the one true God the great desire for all souls to love know and and serve God and gain heaven

 

[Kathleen18]

I think Buddhism can help some OCDers psychologically. As long as they avoid the dogmas such as reincarnation. And of course therapies such as CBT are useful.

How on earth can Buddhism be helpful if they avoid reincarnation and other dogmas? Which is essential to Buddhism?

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

No, no, no. What can help is prayer. The Rosary, the Divine Merry Chaplet, or even buy SoulCore videos and doing those at home.

One size fits all advice. Not all Catholics say the Rosary for a start.

True, but I’m not the one promoting Buddhism. If you need some kind of meditation in your live, the Rosary (or other prayers) works well for that.

However, how about going back to my main point… which you have not replied to. Scrupulous people need to have a Spiritual Director, period.

 

[phil19034]

I honestly think that Christianity is not for everyone. In this case, the severely mentally ill.

Well, then you really have issue with God’s mercy and love for us. God is filled with steadfast mercy and abundant love. God is slow to anger too… All of this is in the Old Testament and taught by Christ.

Jesus came for all people, even the mentally ill.

 

[Kathleen18]

I honestly think that Christianity is not for everyone. In this case, the severely mentally ill.

Oh really? I was born with a pre disposition to Clinical Deppression and perhaps Aspergers. I had my perfectly healthy tonsils removed because I was “sick” all the time I was a young child. Everyone kept looking for a physical ailment. I started seeing therapists at age 8. And I was not completely diagnosed till age 16. Shall I also mention the medication? You know the kind that makes you sleep 24 hrs a day? Yeah, I missed seeing most of Yellow Stone, because of that. How about the ones that made me even more out of my mind? Oh, then there are the ones that have made me forget years of my life!
And let me not forget the suicide attempts! I am talking about the almost jumping out of windows, kind of suicide.
HOPE was the only thing that kept me alive in spirit. And it was the only thing that allowed my parents to fight for me.
I am 32 now. I pay bills, and work as a Para Educator with grade school children.
GOD knows that I am forever grateful for this blessing to convert from Methodist/Agnostic to Catholicism.
Now, tell me again how Christianity isn’t for the severely mentally ill?

 

[Ardent_Fire]

“Do some research”

Excuse me? I was speaking as a Catholic talking to another Catholic. I used the words “sin” and “hell” – those words are both used and discussed in the Catechism. Or are you not Catholic and go by Sola Scriptura? Otherwise that’s a completely different debate about the bible and authority best discussed in another thread and would be off topic here.

 

[Athanasiy]

Well, that’s life and it’s people. People are different.
In life so happens that not all chicks hatch from nests right, not all chicks will be able to fly.
In Christian families, most people get married, and someone is waiting all his life and was left without a couple.
For someone spiritual experience is a family rich in children, good prosperity, new heights, new improvements.
And someone cursing his fate, hates her religious past, cursing his bad marriage.
For most people, faith is a very strong therapeutic incentive for happiness and optimism, and for some, faith has turned into a misfortune to life.
All that Heaven gives to man with a free will, a mutually-acute.
We can only hope that people with bad spiritual experience, for whom faith has turned out to be a bankrupt bank, will also have mercy from the Lord.

 

[Athanasiy]

There are cases and much worse.
In psychiatric hospitals, there are people who call themselves Jesus Christ or the prophet Elijah.
There are ascetics (especially in the Islamic world there are many of them) for which religion has become a path to martyrdom in the act of terrorism or in war.
Despite all these abuses, I believe that faith is very important to the masses, and God is also for saving society as a whole and not for individual faith for old or weak people.
No, faith in Christ, saving faith it is for everyone!
It should be so. Sometimes faith is abused, but there must be more work for Christian psychologists, psychiatrists, therapists, educators.

 

[DeniseNY]

“Fear mongering Catholics”? What exactly is a fear mongering Catholic?

I note that nowhere in numerous posts on this thread do you mention the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. or that Catholics emphasize the unconditional love of the Father and His never ending capacity to forgive sins. Why?

 

[Agathon]

Scrupulosity is a positive thing. One who is scrupulous will pay attention to detail and be always careful to do the right thing.

 

[Kathleen18]

There is paying attention to detail. And then there is agonizing over things.

 

[fhansen]

I am referring to those who suffer mental afflictions such as Religious Scrupulosity. Overly anxious types who are easily stressed by concepts such as eternal damnation. Their mind is drawn obsessively to some dogmas which can really create panic and fear. The fear of having unforgiven mortal sin at their death for instance.
Perhaps God takes a more lenient stance towards these types of people?

Yes, overly-scrupulous persons are deserving of hell! Well, maybe not. They’re deserving of instruction and guidance-and God takes us all from wherever we come- with whatever illnesses or peculiarities we suffer from anyway. And who’s to say that any of us aren’t still better off in the fold rather than outside of it-regardless?

 

[goout]

Kei:

Scruples can affect people regardless of faith.

Religious scrupulosity is a problem you cant deny.
And dogmatic, insistent Christian advice can make it worse.

This is true about scrupulosity and advice.
Catholicism is not about advice. God is not “The Great Idea”, God is person-al. God is someone who can be trusted, someone who can change us, comfort us, challenge us.
We can believe in God fully, put our trust in him.

A good priest who can be trusted goes a long way in this regard.