Some questions about the Consecration in the Tridentine mass

[JKirkLVNV]

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests.

{Snort! Ahem…} They’re EMBROIDERED.

Really, thanks to Patrick for allowing me to totally hijack the thread. I want to go on record that I have the highest regard for Andreas and that someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

 

[AJV]

that someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most accepatble meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[AJV]

that someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most accepatble meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[AJV]

that someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most accepatble meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[AJV]

someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most acceptable meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[AJV]

someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most acceptable meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[AJV]

someday I hope to receive Holy Communion from “Fr. Caesar…”-sans the lace.

On the tongue hopefully http://forum.ship-of-fools.com/UBB-non-cgi/graemlins/scot_twoface.gif

Since we’re on the topic of gloves anyway:

AndreasHofer:

They are very manly gloves worn by bishops, with an equivalent vestment of cuffs for priests. I have no idea where they come from or what they are supposed to signify.

Pontifical prayer at the putting on of the gloves:
Cover my hands, O God, with the cleanliness of the new man that came down form heaven, that as thy beloved Jacob overing his hands implored a paternal blessing offering unto his father most acceptable meat and drink; so also offering by our hands a saving victims I may earn the blessing of thy grace. Through.

And at his consecration was prayed: (trans. Rev. Lynch)
O Almighty Creator, Who hast given to man fashioned after Thy image, hands notable for their formation, as an organ of intelligence for correct workmanship : which Thou hast commanded to be kept clean, so that the soul might worthily be carried in them and Thy mysteries worthily consecrated by them, vouchsafe to + bless and + sanctify these hand coverings, so that whichever of Thy ministers, the holy Bishops, shall humbly wish to cover their hands with these, Thy mercy shall accord to him cleanness of heart as well as of deed. Through Christ Our Lord.

**The Ordo Romanus, **the description of ceremonies, gives this prayer that was formerly said:

We beseech Thy great mercy, Omnipotent and Most Holy God, that as the hands of this Thy servant, our father, are placed with these gloves externally, so internally we may be cleansed with the dew of Thy blessing.

Pugin quotes these two:

May the careful guardianship of Christ keep our hands, that they may be able to preserve the memorials of our salvation.

(This prayer belongis to priests who originally wore gloves. That was gradually forbidden to them: first they could not wear gloves outside Mass, then not jeweled gloves for Mass, then coloured gloves, then white gloves. But until 1968 those granted the use of pontificalia as a special sign of honour, could wear simple unadorned gloves for Mass)

O Creator of all creatures, grant me, unworthiest of Thy servants, to put on the clothing of justice and joy, that I may be found with pure hands in Thy sight. (Missale Illyricum)

Regarding the symbolism of gloves Durandus writes:

I. Because by vain men-pleasing full many spoil the good works they do ; immediately after the Dalmatic put on, the Bishop according unto the Apostolic rite covers his hands with the Gloves, that his left hand may not know what his right hand does. For by the Glove is meetly symolised caution, which does her work before the eyes of men, yet hides her plans in secret none the less. For albeit the Lord said, LET YOUR LIGHT SO SHINE BEFORE MEN, THAT THEY MAY SEE YOUR GOOD WORKS, AND GLORIFY YOUR FATHER WHO IS IN HEAVEN, yet the same Lord gave this precept, TAKE HEED THAT YE DO NOT YOUR ALMS BEFORE MEN, TO BE SEEN OF THEM ; OTHERWISE YE HAVE NO REWARD OF YOUR FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.

1. Therefore the hands are sometimes covered with the Gloves, and sometimes bare, because good works are sometimes hidden for the avoiding of vainglory, and sometimes made manifest to the edification of his neighbour.

1. They are without seam, for the actions of the Bishop ought to be in right agreement with his faith. As worn upon the hands, also, they are a type of the examples of the Saints, which are to be held fast by him in all his works ; which works must be cleansed from all pollution, lest the LITTLE LEAVEN LEAVEN THE WHOLE LUMP. And by the Gloves themselves, as being white [they were at Durandus’ time but later coloured ones matching the vestments came into being. The revised Pontificale of 1968 allows gloves to always be white]

 

[Caesar]

While we are on the topic of vestments and clerical garb, has anyone seen the Dappled Photos Blog? It is a blog with rare and exceptional photos of traditional vestments.

 

[anon50111284]

testing

 

[Jean_Anthony]

Just a tech adjustment post, please ignore.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

Thanks! Those were great pictures. Now for another question you probably think is silly: what are cuffs for priests? I have never seen them wear anything besides cassocks or clerical shirts when not vested for Mass/Benediction, etc.

Cuffs are a lot like just fastening the back cuff portion of the gauntlet around the sleeve - like wearing the gauntlet without the actual glove part.
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That’s not a Latin (or even Catholic priest, but his cuffs should give you an idea.

 

[lak611]

Cuffs are a lot like just fastening the back cuff portion of the gauntlet around the sleeve - like wearing the gauntlet without the actual glove part.
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That’s not a Latin (or even Catholic priest, but his cuffs should give you an idea.

Thanks, Andreas. I’ve never seen that before.

 

[Artfulldodger]

No heart in this question. only form.