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If you remember, I previously had some problems allowing my parents to come to terms with a budding religious vocation. I’ve butted heads, and slooooowly the notion is hitting home. Deo gratias!

I’ve a question though. My background is the ordinary form, but thank God I was never really exposed to the “spirit of Vatican II”. My own personal parish has always been strict to the rubrics and more or less traditional in every way. We will soon be having a monthly EF mass too! The problem is this, my parish is an exception. My diocese is by and large liberal, I’m very afraid of knocking on their door. I’ve considered joining an order because of this, but with orders, it gets complicated.

I don’t want to loose my spiritual heritage in following my liturgical preference and spiritual home. I absolutely love the EF, but I’m familiar with the OF, it’s where I first found God.

Do orders exist where both forms are encouraged, not just allowed? My diocese “allows” the EF, but discourages seminarians from learning it. I’m drawn to the FSSP, but it’s a personal leap. Not a leap I wouldn’t willingly or joyfully take, but a leap none the less.

Another side question… can you flee your diocese when going to seminary? Like for example, could I apply to Lincoln Nebraska and take my knowledge back home with me?😊 I love their bishop!
 
Overcome your fear and give the diocese a chance. All you need is two other people with you to ask for the EF. If your request is refused, tell the bishop; if the bishop dose not allow EF, tell the Vatican. It is your duty as a Catholic to inform Mother Church when her children disobey, so that she may gently correct them.

If all else fails, seek another diocese.

Also, using the phrase “spirit of Vatican Council II” is disrespectful to Mother Church and to the Holy Father. Liturgical abuses and other problems in the Church are not the fruit of a council but the fruit of self-love, as the disobedience of some bishops to the Pope in refusing to comply to SP shows. Pray for the Church and for her clergy.
 
Eucharisted said:
Overcome your fear and give the diocese a chance. All you need is two other people with you to ask for the EF. If your request is refused, tell the bishop; if the bishop dose not allow EF, tell the Vatican. It is your duty as a Catholic to inform Mother Church when her children disobey, so that she may gently correct them.

If all else fails, seek another diocese.

Also, using the phrase “spirit of Vatican Council II” is disrespectful to Mother Church and to the Holy Father. Liturgical abuses and other problems in the Church are not the fruit of a council but the fruit of self-love, as the disobedience of some bishops to the Pope in refusing to comply to SP shows. Pray for the Church and for her clergy.
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Good response.

I’ll keep you in my prayers, Cruikshank_s.

I’m happy to hear that your parents are beginning to come around. God bless you for your courage!🙂
 
Eucharisted said:
Also, using the phrase “spirit of Vatican Council II” is disrespectful to Mother Church and to the Holy Father. Liturgical abuses and other problems in the Church are not the fruit of a council but the fruit of self-love, as the disobedience of some bishops to the Pope in refusing to comply to SP shows. Pray for the Church and for her clergy.
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I did not intend to offend you… 😦 sorry if I did. I have always held the firm belief the the “spirit of Vatican II” and the Second Vatican Council are two entirely different things. The Second Vatican Council is and was a great blessing to Holy Mother Church, the abuses imposed in its “spirit” were not the fruits of the council. I have never thought so, nor have I ever said anything to the liking. I am sorry, but I had assumed that the distinction was clear and well known. (I’ve even heard Fr. Corapi mention the “spirit of Vatican II” on a number of occasions, and I’m sure he of all people doesn’t hold disrespect to HMC or the Holy Father) If you assumed I intended malice because I’m a traditionalist, you are mistaken. I hold absolutely no malice towards Holy Mother Church. I have the deepest love for the Holy Father, and would never intentionally insult him or his office. PLease be assured of my fidelity, and sincere apologies, I was under the impression that the distinction was clear.
 
Cruikshank_s said:
Do orders exist where both forms are encouraged, not just allowed? My diocese “allows” the EF, but discourages seminarians from learning it. I’m drawn to the FSSP, but it’s a personal leap. Not a leap I wouldn’t willingly or joyfully take, but a leap none the less.
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Don’t the Norbertines encourage both the ordinary and extraordinary forms?
 
You might try the Faranciscans of the Immaculata. They use
both forms. I dont have their website. I believe they are in the
Fall River Diocese in MA. Also, the Fathers of Mercy use both
forms. I noted that the Franciscan Friars of the Eternal Word
were at a recent seminar for learning to use the EF. Besides
these, the other EF communities are:
FSSP
Society of St. John Cantius (Chicago)
Society of Christ the King Sovereign Priest (Chicago & WI)
And yes, you might also try the Lincoln Diocese.
Do not TRY your vocation in anyplace where you feel you
would be putting it at risk!
 
JPUSC said:
Don’t the Norbertines encourage both the ordinary and extraordinary forms?
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Ya but the wider world doesn’t know that JP! lol But seriously, I really enjoy the diocesan atmosphere, while I could survive as a monk, I need a lot more people time than what they get up at the abbey.
 
Cruikshank_s said:
Ya but the wider world doesn’t know that JP! lol But seriously, I really enjoy the diocesan atmosphere, while I could survive as a monk, I need a lot more people time than what they get up at the abbey.
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The Norbertines’ description says they are “canon regular,” so I guess they aren’t monks, but I’m not sure.

I don’t really know how life is like there, but with an all-boys high school in their facility, I doubt life there is that boring. They have a football team, haha.

I was a little curious. When I went there for Mass, there were men dressed in white sitting in pews at the sanctuary. Are they seminarians or students of the boarding school?
 
True, They are cannons regular, but they very strictly follow the rule of St. Augustine. Grand silence is very strictly enforced and I believe students must follow more or less suit. If you ever go at night you’ll notice that the boys shuffle ever so quickly to their dorms where talk is permitted. But yes, with the boys school, you get good baseball (they have an excellent team) and football and of course all the rowdiness that accompanies an all boys high school. But still, if you spend some time up there they’re very monkish despite the possible distractions.

And yes, when you’re looking at the altar, on either side the fathers have their pews. The seats closest to the altar outside the pews are for postulants. The first row I believe is for novices and the rest for fathers. The abbot always sits in the last row on our right side closest to the nave. If they’re wearing the white, they’re novices or higher in rank, the one’s in suits are postulants. All the students are dressed in blue suits with the crest on their chest with gold ties (you can’t miss them)
 
Cruikshank_s said:
True, They are cannons regular, but they very strictly follow the rule of St. Augustine. Grand silence is very strictly enforced and I believe students must follow more or less suit. If you ever go at night you’ll notice that the boys shuffle ever so quickly to their dorms where talk is permitted. But yes, with the boys school, you get good baseball (they have an excellent team) and football and of course all the rowdiness that accompanies an all boys high school. But still, if you spend some time up there they’re very monkish despite the possible distractions.

And yes, when you’re looking at the altar, on either side the fathers have their pews. The seats closest to the altar outside the pews are for postulants. The first row I believe is for novices and the rest for fathers. The abbot always sits in the last row on our right side closest to the nave. If they’re wearing the white, they’re novices or higher in rank, the one’s in suits are postulants. All the students are dressed in blue suits with the crest on their chest with gold ties (you can’t miss them)
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That clarifies things for me.
 
JP, who’s walking on either side of the Holy Father in your signature?? BTW, it rocks!
 
Cruikshank_s said:
JP, who’s walking on either side of the Holy Father in your signature?? BTW, it rocks!
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I don’t know who the guy on the left is, but the priest on the right is Father Georg Gänswein, Pope Benedict’s personal secretary.

The funny thing about Fr. Georg is that in Italy, he’s viewed as a “pin-up” priest and was the inspiration for a Versace look.

Isn’t that hilarious??

findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_/ai_n19443141

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1539681/Gorgeous-Georg’s-priestly-chic-inspires-a-new-Versace-show.html

Here he is signing some autographs, haha:

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4f/Georg_Gaenswein.jpg
 
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