Some Respectfull Questions for Muslims

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Re Discovery channel et al. So you answer my request with yet more inuendo. Using your logic I could say anything about the bias of anybody. Have you noticed how many more women experts they are using in their shows? They are obviously biased towards men.
Whats got gender differences to do with religious opinion?
re secular country/hajib - In fact I do live in one of the most secular countries on this planet and my experience is exactly the opposite. I see hajibs everywhere.
Hijabs are also worn by Muslim women in my country. Did you not read what i typed above or are have you brushed it aside because your hissy-fit fingers are set on typing out your next angry remark?
reinventing history? - The only thing that I am denying is that you have proven your statement.
So you think Islamic historical revisionism is not a contributing factor to proselytism?
Dr Naik… do you mean the website where he actually uses things like you know statistics and reports to back up his claims?
What? LOL. Please visit Lyndon LaRouche’s website also and tell me you agree with his statistics and claims. That’s how ridiculous you sound right now. LOL Sorry but LOLOL.
Take this to PM… we are now officially kidnapping this thread.
I wasn’t the one trying to be the smart aleck and hijacking the thread. You accused, i responded. 😉
 
Okay… this is way too much fun to ignore… to the moderators, hey I tried.
Whats got gender differences to do with religious opinion?
Like all zealots you are completely incapable of recognizing sarcasm. I was showing how any current practice could be construed if one desires to show a bias or a pandering. However, just saying so doesn’t make it so.
Hijabs are also worn by Muslim women in my country. Did you not read what i typed above or are have you brushed it aside because your hissy-fit fingers are set on typing out your next angry remark?
First of all please show how I’ve indicated anger in any of my previous posts. You clearly stated that in your experience of secular countries hijabs caused uncomfort amongst the authorities. My experience is exactly the opposite in my secular country and in fact it is celebrated.
So you think Islamic historical revisionism is not a contributing factor to proselytism?
I did not say that. What I said is that you have given me no reliable evidence to support your insinuation that that is indeed an Islamic “practice”.
What? LOL. Please visit Lyndon LaRouche’s website also and tell me you agree with his statistics and claims. That’s how ridiculous you sound right now. LOL Sorry but LOLOL.
Again with the strawmen? Did I say I agreed with Dr. Naif’s position or claims? I said only that he, unlike you, was willing, at least, to present facts to back up his claims. So you place me behind a position I did not take just so you can knock it down… that my friend is classic strawman tactics… and then you have the audacity to have a virtual laugh at my expense.

and I’m the one getting angry???
 
  1. There are NO factual errors in the Qur’an, absolutely none whatsoever.
I bet the Qur’an does not mention Muhammad’s Ebionite friend (a heretic Christian sect) who taught him everything about Christianity.
 
I bet the Qur’an does not mention Muhammad’s Ebionite friend (a heretic Christian sect) who taught him everything about Christianity.
no, it’s in the seera, yet the usual response is that he “rarely” met him, and that he died “shortly” after Muhammad’s “mission” so he couldn’t have taught him anything…when in fact he knew him all his life and even married him to his cousin Khadija according to his sect.
 
**J C, I was not there specially for the purpose of watching ladies. I just happened to pas by and inquired about it. I have written what I was told. So you can blame the persons (non-Muslims) who told me that they were attending to confession.

I do not know what they were confessing. I did not go deep into that matter. But I was told what I have written.**
I presume someone may have explained to you at some point the original sin of our parents Adama and Eve with which we are all tainted. There is nothing sinful in sex within marriage for Catholics or other Christians. As you usual you have not got the foggiest notion of what you are talking about, I regard you as the Muslim R_Not only your bigotry about Christians is not quite as extreme as hers about Muslims, although it’s quite severe enough and if misinformed and stupidly inspired comments o other faiths was energy your comments could enable the USA’s space shuttle fleet to reach the Andromeda Galaxy in aprroximately 2.1 days. Just saying is all to borrow a comment from a long defunct favourite website of mine.
Now you have gone on a wrong track, being unable to reply to my points. The only good sentence you have written is " There is nothing sinful in sex within marriage for Catholics or other Christians". That is good denial and may be useful to me. But what is the proof of what you have written? It may only be your wishful thinking.

The rest of your reply is irrelevant. Thanks.

P.S. Please explain why a new born baby is sinful and all mankind is sinful. Only Jesus is not sinful. Is That because he (Jesus) was born without the agency of any man?
So what comes out as a straight result that the new born babies and all mankind is sinful just because they are the result of a lady mating with a man.

Try to tie the Jesus birth with all that and you will, I hope, come to the same conclusion that the sinful nature is somehow tied up with the sexual mating and conception. Please look into it and find out what it is all about. I am sure that I had the impression that amongst christians, all types of mating, married or unmarried" was considered a sin.

Otherwise there is no harm. I also believe the same as you. The mating of married couples is not a sin.
If I am wrong about christians then try to convince me gently and with some proofs.
 
** J C, I do not mock any one. If I had the knowlwdge, may be it was wrong. I presented it. I still believe the same because you have not given good reply.

There is a wish in the minds of christians that Jesus not be sinful. Mind you I also believe that anyhow. While christians may think that Mary is sinful, I do not believe that too. I believe she is sinless. So I am at a better footing than you people.

I would not yet mention your wishful thinking in many other odd ideas… But you are upset for nothing. I only said that I found christians consider the mating of wife and huband as sinful act. But you are highly upset on that small matter. Please try to disprove it.

I will be happy.**
 
** J C, I do not mock any one. If I had the knowlwdge, may be it was wrong. I presented it. I still believe the same because you have not given good reply.

There is a wish in the minds of christians that Jesus not be sinful. Mind you I also believe that anyhow. While christians may think that Mary is sinful, I do not believe that too. I believe she is sinless. So I am at a better footing than you people.**

We Christians believe Mary is sinless, we have mentioned this to you so many times now, ive lost count.

No matter what we say, how we say it, you do not pay attention to our teachings, its the same old debates with you over and over again, its tiresome to say the least.
 
I bet the Qur’an does not mention Muhammad’s Ebionite friend (a heretic Christian sect) who taught him everything about Christianity.
Scriptures should not contain any discrepancies i.e. it should never contradict itself and neither should it be in conflict with established scientific facts.

It is not easy at all to come up with a scripture that does not contain even a single discrepancy within it – the Bible certainly does not qualify in this regard and neither do the scriptures of other faiths such as the Bhagavad Gita.

And even for secular writings, it is no mean feat either.

A good example of this would be Shakespeare’s play, ‘Henry the Fourth’, in which some of the characters discuss bees and mention that the bees are soldiers and have a king. That is what people thought in Shakespeare’s time - that the bees that one sees flying around are male bees and that they go home and answer to a king.

However, that is not true at all. The fact is that they are females, and they answer to a queen and that the male bee never leaves his home to gather food and yet it took modern scientific investigations in the last 300 years to discover that this is the case.

By comparison, in the 16th chapter (Surah an-Nahl 16:68-69) the Qur’an mentions that the female bee leaves its home to gather food.

What this shows is that while the people of Shakespeare’s time who lived around 1,000 years after the Qur’an was revealed got their facts wrong about bees, the Qur’an did indeed state a scientific fact which modern science has only recently discovered.

In other words, Shakepeare’s play ‘Henry the Fourth’ failed the test of Science but the Qur’an has no such discrepancy.

And so, was this “Ebionite friend” of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), who apparently taught him everything he knew about Christianity, also a biologist extraordinaire who knew scientific facts like that of the female bee many centuries ahead of his time?
 
Please explain why a new born baby is sinful and all mankind is sinful. Only Jesus is not sinful. Is That because he (Jesus) was born without the agency of any man?
So what comes out as a straight result that the new born babies and all mankind is sinful just because they are the result of a lady mating with a man.

Try to tie the Jesus birth with all that and you will, I hope, come to the same conclusion that the sinful nature is somehow tied up with the sexual mating and conception. Please look into it and find out what it is all about. I am sure that I had the impression that amongst christians, all types of mating, married or unmarried" was considered a sin.
Hi

I think that planten’s wiew point is logical.

His argument is that why to consider a new born baby as sinful, if the baby is born legitimately from a married husband and wife. My catholic friends , in my opinion, have just to cite the phenomenon when a baby- all babies in the world including, is born sinless.

If one cannot cite such a possibility; then logically sex of a man with a woman whether married or not is (or should be) sinful as our Catholics friends hold wrongly in their minds.

This is only a logical thing; its cure lies in thinking that every child born of a man or a woman is sinless. This establishes love and respect of every child born anywhere in the world; and I think Jesus and Mary would like it more.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks
 
Like all zealots you are completely incapable of recognizing sarcasm. I was showing how any current practice could be construed if one desires to show a bias or a pandering. However, just saying so doesn’t make it so.
Wow, you were so sarcastic it hurt my feelings. :rolleyes: In any case, your stones didn’t skip across the lake because it held no water. I like the way you cry for the Mods and then call me names. Classic.
First of all please show how I’ve indicated anger in any of my previous posts. You clearly stated that in your experience of secular countries hijabs caused uncomfort amongst the authorities. My experience is exactly the opposite in my secular country and in fact it is celebrated.
There are many ways to display signs of anger. One way is to have a pre-determined mind and proving your opponent wrong whilst subconsciously harbouring righteous sentiments. Are you an American? 'Cause America isn’t exactly a secular government. But honestly, i am not interested in your politically correct response.
I did not say that. What I said is that you have given me no reliable evidence to support your insinuation that that is indeed an Islamic “practice”.
You know, i am not some info-on-demand-library. Do your own research if you disbelieve and then you can put pieces of the puzzle together. It doesn’t take a brainiac to realize this. Naturally, i’d ask you to stay away from authors who are Islamic sympathizers.
Again with the strawmen? Did I say I agreed with Dr. Naif’s position or claims? I said only that he, unlike you, was willing, at least, to present facts to back up his claims. So you place me behind a position I did not take just so you can knock it down… that my friend is classic strawman tactics… and then you have the audacity to have a virtual laugh at my expense.

and I’m the one getting angry???
Your initial insinuation was good enough.
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Dr Naik… do you mean the website where he actually uses things like you know statistics and reports to back up his claims?
*My guess is, you may have changed your mind upon reading his claims more carefully after your reply to me. Anyone can come up with statistics and false claims. It only takes one naive person to believe in it and then it will spread like wildfire. I can make similar claims from anyone too. How about jihadwatch or islam-watch? Are you then going to believe claims from such sites and its authors?

I thought you were done with your games, but apparently, you want to be the winner - so there. This will be my last post to you. You can continue arguing with the wind.
 
Wow, you were so sarcastic it hurt my feelings. :rolleyes: In any case, your stones didn’t skip across the lake because it held no water. I like the way you cry for the Mods and then call me names. Classic.
First of all, I didn’t cry to the Mods. I simply informed them that I had tried to engage you in PM mode and you didn’t want to. However, as you were the one who called me “holier-than-thou” and self-righteous and accused me of being a fence sitter and other names I’m not about to just walk away so I will have to engage you here. I’m not much on that whole “turn the other cheek” stuff.

You will note that I waited until you provided reasonable circumstantial evidence of a character trait before labeling you in any way. It is a well understood quirk of zealots that they lack the divergence of thought to appreciate sarcasm.
There are many ways to display signs of anger.
Agreed
One way is to have a pre-determined mind and proving your opponent wrong whilst subconsciously harbouring righteous sentiments.
Where I agree that that might lead someone to display anger I’m not sure that in itself it is a display of anger. It actually reads more like a layman’s definition of the art of the argument - except for the predetermined part of course.
Are you an American? 'Cause America isn’t exactly a secular government.
No I am not an American (sarcasm alert), an American would most likely have assumed Singapore was in Hawaii (/sarcasm alert).
But honestly, i am not interested in your politically correct response.
??? Since when is observation politically correct? It is an observed fact, that in my very secular and multi-cultural country the hajib and the turban and even those little knives the Sikhs wear (Kirpans) are seen often in public places (where appropriate). Along with stars of david, crucifixes etc… It is an observed fact that in my highly secular country such displays are not for one moment seen by our authorities as cautionary, for any other reason other than appropriateness (turbans around heavy machinery, Kirpans when boarding an airplane etc.). It is an observed fact that my government funded public radio and television have many articles and features celebrating the many varied traditions of all of these faiths and cultures, Islam included. So, far from being politically correct I am merely being observant. And once again you have insulted me unjustly.
You know, i am not some info-on-demand-library.
However, you are willing to make the previously posted far-reaching generalizations about a peoples and a faith (and indeed individuals) without providing a shred of evidence to back them up.
Do your own research if you disbelieve and then you can put pieces of the puzzle together. It doesn’t take a brainiac to realize this
I did. On each one of these previously referenced assertions and found precious little factual information to back them up
Your initial insinuation was good enough.
My guess is, you may have changed your mind upon reading his claims more carefully after your reply to me. Anyone can come up with statistics and false claims. It only takes one naive person to believe in it and then it will spread like wildfire.
Once again you pursue the strawman. When did I ever say I agreed with Dr. Naif or didn’t agree with him… ever. You were, in fact, the one to bring up Dr. Naif, I merely pointed out that in my brief Google search I noted that where he made claims he provide facts and statistics to back them up. Something you hadn’t done.
I can make similar claims from anyone too. How about jihadwatch or islam-watch? Are you then going to believe claims from such sites and its authors?
Again relevance? I have never said I believe any claims from Dr. Naif.
I thought you were done with your games, but apparently, you want to be the winner - so there. This will be my last post to you. You can continue arguing with the wind.
Ah! tilting at windmills… one of my favorite pasttimes.
 
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