Some shocking excerpts!

[Misplaced_Book]

I am counting St. Matthias. He helped Evangelize Georgia and Macedonia (to name two places) before he was martyred in Judea.

What I mean by fuzziness, is that the First Millenium is not emphasized or even highlighted in mainstream Roman Catholic Piety. It has been submerged by latter day devotions, and councils. Ecumenical Councils before Trent have gone down the memory hole. A quote from St. Benedict or St. John Chrysostom will appear here or there, a feast day, but then what? In Orthodoxy, The First Seven Ecumenical Councils are still very real, and very much a part of Orthodox piety and life today (as well as the Local Councils that came after). All one hears in the Latin Church is Vatican II…Vatican II…Vatican II…maybe a toss to Vatican I, and for the traditionalists…Trent.

This is what I mean, not that the Latin Church has abandoned Patristics, but that it is not really focused on…

 

[Isaiah45_9]

I am counting St. Matthias. He helped Evangelize Georgia and Macedonia (to name two places) before he was martyred in Judea.

Gotcha, that’s what I thought.

What I mean by fuzziness, is that the First Millenium is not emphasized or even highlighted in mainstream Roman Catholic Piety. It has been submerged by latter day devotions, and councils. Ecumenical Councils before Trent have gone down the memory hole. A quote from St. Benedict or St. John Chrysostom will appear here or there, a feast day, but then what? In Orthodoxy, The First Seven Ecumenical Councils are still very real, and very much a part of Orthodox piety and life today (as well as the Local Councils that came after). All one hears in the Latin Church is Vatican II…Vatican II…Vatican II…maybe a toss to Vatican I, and for the traditionalists…Trent.

This is what I mean, not that the Latin Church has abandoned Patristics, but that it is not really focused on…

Interesting… I would have to think about this. Because, personally I have been immersed in the Fathers and the Councils for the last 2-3 years. So my view is not the same as yours, but it might be because of what I am doing individually. Would need to “chew” on this for a bit.

However, I think we hear a lot of Vatican II because:

1. It is significantly more recent than the 7th Ecumenical Council.
2. There is still debate among ourselves about what was discussed.
3. Obviously from the extreme traditionalists which do not recognize the tenets of Vatican II.

But to be objective I would need to look into what you are saying more deeply.

Thanks,

 

[CrossofChrist]

There is a distressing lack of emphasis on the First Millenium in the Latin Church today…

Among faithful Catholics? Vatican II sure doesn’t seem like that to me…

And obviously the vast majority aren’t emphasizing the Church Fathers today. The vast majority may or may not attend Mass twice a year.

 

[CrossofChrist]

What I mean by fuzziness, is that the First Millenium is not emphasized or even highlighted in mainstream Roman Catholic Piety. It has been submerged by latter day devotions, and councils. Ecumenical Councils before Trent have gone down the memory hole. A quote from St. Benedict or St. John Chrysostom will appear here or there, a feast day, but then what?

I agree for different reasons. The Church Fathers aren’t recognized in the Latin Church enough today because, well, most Catholics don’t bother even going to Mass. So why would they care about the Church Fathers or even the Counter-Reformation saints?

In Orthodoxy, The First Seven Ecumenical Councils are still very real, and very much a part of Orthodox piety and life today (as well as the Local Councils that came after). All one hears in the Latin Church is Vatican II…Vatican II…Vatican II…

You do realize that Vatican II was based largely on the principle of ressourcement? A return to the Church Fathers? Do you know that Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI places huge emphasis on Chalcedon?