Some wrong doctrines of the Catholics: highlighted by Planten

[paarsurrey]

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Mohammad and Zainab

Originally posted by Planten:

Sorry, I missed out the post of Reuben. Muhammad had many wives. (Jesus did not have any wife.) Muhammad did not have any concubines and he forbade every to have any concubine. He went for marriage. (Jesus did not go for marriage. May be he did not like marriage. Quite impractical, un-natural way of life.)

Muhammad married a divorced lady who was previously the wife of his so called son (Zaid). That was very important lesson for the world to disprove all false doctrines of the christians.

1. No. 1 doctrine was that divorce is illegal. That was wrong belief. So Muhammd’s teaching allowed the divorce.
2. It proved that there is no supposed son such as adopted or begotten son. A son is only a real son. So the world get rid of the notion of adopted and begotten sons.
3. It proved that it okay to marry a divorced person. Theis thing was also troubling the whole world due to the Catholic teaching that no one should marry a divorced person. The Catholics considered that act as adultery. Which was wrong. So the act of Muhammad helped the world to go along on the right lines.

The Catholics also had to admit the divorce when the people revolted agianst their bad teachings.

Example is better than precept, and actions speak louder than words. The die has been cast. The Catholics can see now how many nations in the world accept divorce as an unavoidable act? See the things in the world practically in all countries.

Also see, if there is any adopted son officially admitted as a real son. Nowhere.

Also, see in the world, every one is marrying the divorced persons. So who is right? Muhammad or the church? Be real.

 

[paarsurrey]

1. No. 1 doctrine was that divorce is illegal. That was wrong belief.

Hi

To start with kindly quote from Jesus that the divorce is illegal. Please don’t quote from Paul as he was never friendly to Jesus on his own testimony.

We Muslims are only concerned with Jesus and Mary as they are mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Hi

To start with kindly quote from Jesus that the divorce is illegal. Please don’t quote from Paul as he was never friendly to Jesus on his own testimony.

We Muslims are only concerned with Jesus and Mary as they are mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

Below are the teachings of Jesus from all four gosepls on divorce and re-marriage. I am surprised you are asking for it. He doesn’t say it is illegal. He admits that the Jewish law allows it. He calls it a sin against God’s plan, and adultery.

Matthew 19
3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator made them male and female,' 5 and said, For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’?
6 So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.
9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Mark 10
2 Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?”
3 “What did Moses command you?” he replied.
4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.”
5 “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied.
6 “But at the beginning of creation God made them male and female.' 7 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
8 and the two will become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one.
9 Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.”
10 When they were in the house again, the disciples asked Jesus about this.
11 He answered, “Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery against her.
12 And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”

Matthew 5
31 "It has been said, `Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’
32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adulteress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

Luke 16
18 "Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and the man who marries a divorced woman commits adultery

 

[ricko]

Hi

To start with kindly quote from Jesus that the divorce is illegal. Please don’t quote from Paul as he was never friendly to Jesus on his own testimony.

We Muslims are only concerned with Jesus and Mary as they are mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

Paul didn’t have a problem with Jesus and Jesus didn’t have a problem with Paul so what’s your problem?

Surely you believe that people other than those mentioned in the Quran existed…don’t you?

 

[elvisman]

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Mohammad and Zainab

.
Sorry, I missed out the post of Reuben. Muhammad had many wives. (Jesus did not have any wife.) Muhammad did not have any concubines and he forbade every to have any concubine. He went for marriage. (Jesus did not go for marriage. May be he did not like marriage. Quite impractical, un-natural way of life.)

Muhammad married a divorced lady who was previously the wife of his so called son (Zaid). That was very important lesson for the world to disprove all false doctrines of the christians.

1. No. 1 doctrine was that divorce is illegal. That was wrong belief. So Muhammd’s teaching allowed the divorce.
2. It proved that there is no supposed son such as adopted or begotten son. A son is only a real son. So the world get rid of the notion of adopted and begotten sons.
3. It proved that it okay to marry a divorced person. Theis thing was also troubling the whole world due to the Catholic teaching that no one should marry a divorced person. The Catholics considered that act as adultery. Which was wrong. So the act of Muhammad helped the world to go along on the right lines.

The Catholics also had to admit the divorce when the people revolted agianst their bad teachings.

Example is better than precept, and actions speak louder than words. The die has been cast. The Catholics can see now how many nations in the world accept divorce as an unavoidable act? See the things in the world practically in all countries.

Also see, if there is any adopted son officially admitted as a real son. Nowhere.

Also, see in the world, every one is marrying the divorced persons. So who is right? Muhammad or the church? Be real.

Paarsurrey - what is the point of your ridiculously provocative posts?

You make silly and unfounded accusations about Christianity - of which you have not a clue. Now you’re posting Planten’s inane and unfounded assertions regarding would-be Catholic beliefs.

If you want to have serious and charitable dialogue - stop the silly rants. Do your homework and try to come up with something that makes some sort of sense.

 

[paarsurrey]

Below are the teachings of Jesus from all four gosepls on divorce and re-marriage.
He doesn’t say it is illegal. He admits that the Jewish law allows it. He calls it a sin against God’s plan, and adultery.

Hi

So Jesus does not term divorce illegal and allows it under certain conditions.

This is what we Muslims believe.

Thanks

 

[swariffin]

Hi

So Jesus does not term divorce illegal and allows it under certain conditions.

This is what we Muslims believe.

Thanks

Please quote the word of Jesus saying so.

 

[guanophore]

Paarsurrey - what is the point of your ridiculously provocative posts?

You make silly and unfounded accusations about Christianity - of which you have not a clue. Now you’re posting Planten’s inane and unfounded assertions regarding would-be Catholic beliefs.

If you want to have serious and charitable dialogue - stop the silly rants. Do your homework and try to come up with something that makes some sort of sense.

Don’t hold your breath, elvis. He has been posting this anti-catholic islamic evangelistic drivel here for almost two years. He and planten just go from one bizarre misconception to the next.

Neither of them are here to learn about Catholicism, just to try to get Catholics to become Amhadi.

 

[2John1vs3]

Regarding divorce:

Nelson C. Turner “God’s Divorce” is a well documented and researched study concerning the law of divorce in the Bible, and how it has been misunderstood and misapplied by legalists to the harm of the faithful and society.

amazon.com/Gods-Divorce-N-C-Turner/dp/1595710884/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1233735549&sr=1-1

Description:
• Does the Bible teach that divorce is sin?
• Did Jesus ever recognize the legitimancy of divorce when he was on the earth?
• Does God command a spouse to remain in a marriage where he or she is subjected to physical or mental abuse?
• Is it true that if I am divorced and remarried, am I living in adultery?
• What did the Christians or previous generations teach and practice concerning divorce? These and many similar questions are answered from the Bible in God’s Divorce. The author demonstrates the true Christian teaching of divorce from the Bible in a manner that can be understood by anyone willing to believe the Scriptures, and provides historical documentation of what the Baptists, Puritans, Protestants, and Catholics have taught and practiced concerning divorce. The truths of Scripture are placed in the context of history and individual experience, mangnifying the holiness and righteousness of God by proclaiming the justice of his law of divorce.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Hi

So Jesus does not term divorce illegal and allows it under certain conditions.

This is what we Muslims believe.

Thanks

Jesus calls divorce a sin.

The standard of Jesus is greater than the law. His requirement is love.

 

[catholic_daddy]

Hi

To start with kindly quote from Jesus that the divorce is illegal. Please don’t quote from Paul as he was never friendly to Jesus on his own testimony.

We Muslims are only concerned with Jesus and Mary as they are mentioned in Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

You have an incorrect understanding of Paul and of the divine origin of Scripture. Paul got his doctrine from direct revelation by Jesus. Everything Paul wrote that is in the Bible is God’s infallable world. Also, Paul daily prepared to die for Jesus. Jesus was his life. “For me to live is Christ and to die is gain.”–Philippians 1

 

[paarsurrey]

Paul got his doctrine from direct revelation by Jesus. Everything Paul wrote that is in the Bible is God’s infallable world.

Hi

I don’t agree with you. Jesus was in India at that time and hence he could have not revealed anything to Paul. The rest you can yourself guess.

Jesus was simple straightforward man. Paul’s philosophy is full of mysteries as was he a mysterious man, in my opinion. Jesus propogated ONE GOD, and Paul invented Trinity; see the difference.

This is what I sincerely believe; you may believe differently, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

 

[LDNCatholic]

Jesus was in India at that time and hence he could have not revealed anything to Paul. The rest you can yourself guess.

Jesus is God, Omnipresent and all powerful, so while you were right that He was in India (and still is, and is everywhere else too), you are very wrong about Him being unable to reveal things to Saul.

 

[elvisman]

Don’t hold your breath, elvis. He has been posting this anti-catholic islamic evangelistic drivel here for almost two years. He and planten just go from one bizarre misconception to the next.

Neither of them are here to learn about Catholicism, just to try to get Catholics to become Amhadi.

**Oh, I know. ****The stupidity of it just gets on my nerve sometimes.:nunchuk: **

 

[catholic_daddy]

Hi

I don’t agree with you. Jesus was in India at that time and hence he could have not revealed anything to Paul. The rest you can yourself guess.

Jesus was simple straightforward man. Paul’s philosophy is full of mysteries as was he a mysterious man, in my opinion. Jesus propogated ONE GOD, and Paul invented Trinity; see the difference.

This is what I sincerely believe; you may believe differently, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

It is obnvious that your presence on this site is either bogus or at best ill-advised. But…no compulsion.

 

[guanophore]

It is obnvious that your presence on this site is either bogus or at best ill-advised.

I vote for both!

But…no compulsion.

Personally, I am compulsed to a state of nausea.

 

[Eucharisted]

What if this is Paar’s secret intention? To make us laugh?

 

[Eucharisted]

No, I meant his secret intention being “to make us (CAF users) laugh” (Sorry I wasn’t clear on that)

 

[swariffin]

Hi

I don’t agree with you. Jesus was in India at that time and hence he could have not revealed anything to Paul. The rest you can yourself guess.

Jesus was simple straightforward man. Paul’s philosophy is full of mysteries as was he a mysterious man, in my opinion. Jesus propogated ONE GOD, and Paul invented Trinity; see the difference.

This is what I sincerely believe; you may believe differently, no compulsion.

I love Jesus

Thanks

Jesus did say Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

 

[Cluny]

There ARE no wrong doctrines in Catholicism.